honestly if you want to look at it that way, there were only a few real pvpers there. colgate/crouton/omai at first glance of YT list. second glance, I see fourier, decibel, masaka, fistlin that are good pvpers but aren't made for the finish em off just support/lock down classes basically.
so again based off your YT list, i see 3 people worthy of being noted as killers, another 4 good group players that require others to work with to bring out the best of their class role. 8 people in total, vs a squad of friends rogues/sk/wizards/monks/ench. How much do you really think ntov gear matters for an extra 300-400hp at best for a really geared character when you are getting tash malo root blind lured into dust in <10 seconds per focus assist?
Even I don't put myself into the 'elite pvper' category, im decent, better then most. but there are some rogues who are just plain better then me be it ping or skill, whether i have primal and 500hp more or not, primal and more hp/resists isn't going to save 2 wand -8slot buff and possibly another 1-4 pumice hits from stripping me buffless and killing me, just as it would any fully geared 8 vulak loot full tov bis geared character on the server.
ps where is krazy's <friends> tag?
where was i again? something about when azrael used to YT a nihilum member who had only a yunnb's earring or something and 15 of them would shout "FULL VP GEARED <CLASS> DEAD TO epic/mithril geared rogue"
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