Do you recall frogloks killing the other non-undead mobs in TT on Live?

[indiscriminate_hater]

most shamans with pets that i see in TT are light-blue to me, which would put them in the 40-44 range

[Droog007]

Nearly all the regular frogloks (not foragers, hunters, or named) in TT are green/LB at level 50. According to the wiki this puts them mostly at level 36 or less. The only frogs that are dark blue at 50 are the yuns, urds, and wans which mainly stick to the southern part of the zone. These would be 37-49, but I'm pretty sure they cap out below the hunter/forager, which are always level 45.

A good portion of the shamans that con green at 50 (and should therefore classically be at spell level 29) have pets when they should not.

Again, this is not the issue I'm trying to confront here.

[Droog007]

My assertion in this matter would be that only the yun and urd shamans L39 and higher should be casting Companion Spirit, Scourge, Malaisement, Winter's Roar, etc.. But I'd rather start by STOPPING THE VIOLENCE!

[Buellen]

This subject has been brought up before.

The issue is a few problem combined ( i am not complaining understood these are hard to fix)

1. pathing - p1999 patching is in many kunark zones totally fubard trakanon teeth is no exception.

2. Caster mobs having full spell books here vs live or eqmac


These are not easy fixes especially pathing .


My personal recollection from eqmac an live frog where happy with other mobs, BUT I'm old so my memory maybe off.

[Droog007]

Originally Posted by Buellen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My personal recollection from eqmac an live frog where happy with other mobs, BUT I'm old so my memory maybe off.

This is the only thing I'm trying to address here - that FrogloksOfKunark will not KOS any other mobs in Trakanon's Teeth. This has nothing to do with pathing or spell ranks.

[indiscriminate_hater]

The lower level shamans (that is, those without pets) definitely cast appropriate-level nukes and dots. If you'd really like you can run up to frogs with pets and let them whack you. The full damage hit will give a precise measure of their level

[Droog007]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The lower level shamans (that is, those without pets) definitely cast appropriate-level nukes and dots. If you'd really like you can run up to frogs with pets and let them whack you. The full damage hit will give a precise measure of their level

I'm not sure what the max hit tables look like here, but I know hunters and foragers on Live were always L45 which gave them a max hit of 117. Here they can hit for 120.

[Droog007]

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/z...00320875427069

"The critter mobs (cat, raptor, plant, bird) are all warriors - they have no special attacks or effects, though they can hit hard and fast. They can also be SoWed by wandering Froglok shaman so sometimes they run faster than normal. The Hangman is hasted (because of the haste item he carries)."

Now.... I don't believe this is true. I think frogloks only buff other frogloks (except, oddly, the factionless Hunter and Forager). However, I DO think it presents well as a counter-argument to the idea that they were hostile to each other.

I do believe that the raptor mobs and the tiger mobs have a faster than average runspeed and this is likely what led the poster to believe they had been buffed with SoW. Some of the named mobs like Doom are definitely born with wheels.

[Buellen]

Originally Posted by Droog007 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the only thing I'm trying to address here - that FrogloksOfKunark will not KOS any other mobs in Trakanon's Teeth. This has nothing to do with pathing or spell ranks.

Pathing comes into play because on p1999 mobs in kunark will wander all over the place. This includes TT zone. The froglock at least the northern most use to wander on live and eqmac in a north to south pattern from graveyard to zone to emerald jungle. their was some that would wander east of the emerald jungle zone line.

Due to pathing problems you have froglock all over the place TT , with full spell book for the caster they will quickly over come any non forelock in the area.

[Droog007]

Originally Posted by Buellen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pathing comes into play because on p1999 mobs in kunark will wander all over the place. This includes TT zone. The froglock at least the northern most use to wander on live and eqmac in a north to south pattern from graveyard to zone to emerald jungle. their was some that would wander east of the emerald jungle zone line.

Due to pathing problems you have froglock all over the place TT , with full spell book for the caster they will quickly over come any non forelock in the area.

I reject the notion that the frogs should be attacking anything but Player Characters in this zone. If the NPCs were behaving correctly in that regard, it would not matter where they walked or what spells they were able to cast.

That said, I think the pathing and distribution of the patrolling mobs on P99's TT is very similar if not identical to how I remember it on Live. The hunter spawn can generally be found in one of two E/W bands - one near the EJ zone and another at the south wall west of Old Sebilis. The forager spawn can be found in the same southern E/W band and also in a N/S band that runs along the west wall of the fattest part of the zone. There are a large number of other patrolling spawns intermingling with those bands and covering most of the zone. The lower level mobs tend to be in the north while the higher level mobs, like the yuns, urds, and wans which still con blue to a L50 player, are generally found down south.

I've spent a number of hours in P99's TT in recent days, doing the same thing I did 14-15 years ago - tracking the cycles with a ranger. With the exception of several species being essentially extinct due to the frogs' incorrect aggressions, it's pretty much perfect. The spell rank issue is a server-wide problem, not a TT problem.