Will Project 1999 Source Ever Be Released?

[Ele]

Originally Posted by immaterial [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ah, i see. well i can wait a year if that's what it takes. i would just like to know if open sourcing it is on the road map anywhere.

I sincerely doubt it. If anything I would speculate DBG would take an interest in it if it came to that point in time.

interesting! is the current P1999 server just a "beta" or something?

That is the way I've always played and classicquested it. Just as a long running beta with the expectation of a new server with a proper timeline, once all the patches are completed and the major bugs worked out.



If you want to just throw up an EMU EQ server to hack around on, I'd just use the PEQ database and tweak it as necessary for the zones/mobs you want to go after with your friends. It is what some of the P99 raiding guilds would do to practice.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Sodors Finest Poster here,

The answer is no.

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[Sage Truthbearer]

Very few developers of these kinds of projects make their source code public, especially while their server is still active.

I don't even think Yeahlight released the EQclassic source code that uses the Trilogy-based client, despite officially abandoning the project.

[immaterial]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I sincerely doubt it. If anything I would speculate DBG would take an interest in it if it came to that point in time.

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If you want to just throw up an EMU EQ server to hack around on, I'd just use the PEQ database and tweak it as necessary for the zones/mobs you want to go after with your friends. It is what some of the P99 raiding guilds would do to practice.

yeah, i could throw up a standard PEQ server, but it wouldn't be "classic". i mean, it's taken this team of talented devs several years to get this server to where it is, and as you say it's not even completely done yet. i'm a programmer myself, so i don't mind getting my hands dirty with sql/bugfixing/server configuration, but the reality is that i just do not have the thousands of manhours necessary to produce a server of this quality/accuracy.

i can understand if they want to hold off for now so as to not divide the community, but i sincerely hope that at some point in the roadmap, they plan to release it.

[trite]

When I go and look at the logic in the zone.cpp from EQ Emu master branch it's readily apparent how much work was put into p99 to make it unique...It would take someone on the project to betray the other members' interests or for them to collectively stop caring and be feeling generous at the same time for us to ever see the source code.

[immaterial]

Originally Posted by Sage Truthbearer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very few developers of these kinds of projects make their source code public, especially while their server is still active.

I don't even think Yeahlight released the EQclassic source code that uses the Trilogy-based client, despite officially abandoning the project.

Harakiri is still active over there (and doing great work), but yes, this also saddens me. i follow EQClassic, and seeing the videos of their server in action is awesome. it breaks my heart to think that they'll just sit on that code indefinitely.

[thufir]

Originally Posted by immaterial [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah, i could throw up a standard PEQ server, but it wouldn't be "classic". i mean, it's taken this team of talented devs several years to get this server to where it is, and as you say it's not even completely done yet. i'm a programmer myself, so i don't mind getting my hands dirty with sql/bugfixing/server configuration, but the reality is that i just do not have the thousands of manhours necessary to produce a server of this quality/accuracy.

i can understand if they want to hold off for now so as to not divide the community, but i sincerely hope that at some point in the roadmap, they plan to release it.

The things you say in the first paragraph are exactly why your second paragraph will never come to fruition. This is their baby. There's no reason to release something with thousands of hours of work into it for everyone to use unless they're dead or something.

[immaterial]

Originally Posted by trite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I go and look at the logic in the zone.cpp from EQ Emu master branch it's readily apparent how much work was put into p99 to make it unique...It would take someone on the project to betray the other members' interests or for them to collectively stop caring and be feeling generous at the same time for us to ever see the source code.

it depends on philosophies. the PEQ code that P1999 is based on is open source. it just comes down to how the devs/admins feel about it. it doesn't have to be "betrayal", many large-scale projects are open sourced.

[immaterial]

Originally Posted by thufir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The things you say in the first paragraph are exactly why your second paragraph will never come to fruition. This is their baby. There's no reason to release something with thousands of hours of work into it for everyone to use unless they're dead or something.

eh? this happens all of the time in the programming world. open source is huge. by your logic PEQ itself would never even exist. your post doesn't reflect reality. developers and even companies regularly open source their projects even though it's their baby and they've spent thousands of hours on it. it's not about how much work they put into it, it's about their personal philosophies and goals.

[thufir]

Originally Posted by immaterial [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

eh? this happens all of the time in the programming world. open source is huge. by your logic PEQ itself would never even exist. your post doesn't reflect reality. developers and even companies regularly open source their projects even though it's their baby and they've spent thousands of hours on it. it's not about how much work they put into it, it's about their personal philosophies and goals.

It happens among a certain subset of programmers, yes. Some people believe deeply in open source. Those people generally open source it early and let everyone work on it.

This hasn't happened here. P99 has not been an open source project, and they keep the code. So it seems unlikely that they will do so any time soon.