When to cast Slows

[thufir]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was wondering what the expectation is of an enchanter. I find charming to be quite risky. It breaks every other fight which is annoying. But my assumption is the good enchanters always have a charmed mob in group

You're charming mobs too high for you, then. Try ones that are on the low end of dark blue, or xp greens. And of course make sure the mob is tashed.

I used to think it was too hard to stick charm and didn't think much of charm as a result. I think it would be pretty hard for me to have been wronger there. Charm is one of the main reasons enchanters are so OP.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was wondering what the expectation is of an enchanter. I find charming to be quite risky. It breaks every other fight which is annoying. But my assumption is the good enchanters always have a charmed mob in group

up until you are 45+ really, just providing C and mezzing occasional bad pulls is fine. If there is no wizard in the group you can always root to help the tank keep agro on him..

but really the value of C is just so good that simply casting that and waiting for a bad pull is enough.. also you can use level 4 mez to interrupt all caster mobs so they can never cast, which is nice.

once you get 45+ you can start having more successful charming and you become a GREAT dps addition, while also providing the C/mez/interrupt help...

pre 45 and charming is going to just suck so much mana from your healers that they will ask you to stop. You can do it, but it just doesn't last long at these low levels.. try what poster above me says about grabbing a low level mob, but be careful that you dont pick something so low that it does like no damage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also at 45+ you can start delving greedily into the deep dungeons of norrath solo or with a partner. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[thufir]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pre 45 and charming is going to just suck so much mana from your healers that they will ask you to stop.

Nah, you can still do this. Just get mobs that are low end of db / xp green. Even an xp green mob is a great dps addition and they'll stay charmed for long enough to make it worthwhile.

The problem people get into is taking any db. Some dbs are tougher than others. The ones close to your level will break charm left and right and piss everyone off.

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you can use level 4 mez to interrupt all caster mobs so they can never cast

I didn't know this. Wow, I suck at playing an enchanter

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by Nisse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lvl 29? I prolly wouldn't bother

Besides keeping haste and clarity up, would you be casting suffocate each mob?

[Nisse]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Besides keeping haste and clarity up, would you be casting suffocate each mob?

Keep clarity and haste up and try to maintain a charm pet if at all possible, you'll be the largest contributing group member at that point no one can really bitch. If you have spare mana I would use it to maintain rune and berserker strength to cushion your charm breaks to make the healers life that much easier.

[Troxx]

Unless it's a resistant set of mobs or real ass-beaters, I slow on incoming, often before the mob hits camp. Most all mobs are pansies once you slow em 70-75% and I don't mind taking a few hits.

At low levels unless solo/duo or maybe trio, slowing is not worth it. Mobs die to fast and your slow % isn't as large for the amount of mana it takes.

Bear in mind this is coming from the shaman perspective. We can take the hits a lot better than an ench can.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Gotta understand, a mob coming into a camp has very little aggro, whatever the puller has on it from pulling. If you cast when mob is still above 90%, you are going to likely go straight to the top of that small aggro list.

So you find what % works for the grp/dps/classes you are playing with. It will, as a rule of thumb, be < 90%.

Depending on what is being killed, slow is either then worth it or not, and the deciding factor should be, how happy is the healer? If the healer has so much mana they are helping to melee the mob down, yeah, that slow is a waste of your time and you got other things you can spend your mana on. But if the healer is creeping too close to being at low mana all the time, then the slow is top priority, even if it is for only half the mob's health.

Welcome to being a utility class, where your goal is to do whatever makes it easier for others to do their jobs. The best enchanter strat is whatever makes it so the group doesn't even notice, except that no one is dying, everything is getting killed like clockwork, and even cockups on pulls just mean the group has a queue of mobs ready to go.

edit: root is just an aggro headache imo. Doing a root + slow on inc is just gonna make you eat all the healers mana if / when yer root breaks. It *is* the job of whoever is tanking to do whatever they can to obtain aggro, but you gotta help them out and do your stuff as chill as possible, right up against the line of being an aggro fool. Again, crucial to tune yourself to other peeps in the grp, mainly puller, tank, and healer. They each have their job, but yer job is to see how thy are playing, and help their jobs go as fast and deadly and stable as possible.

[Gimp]

Don't bother casting a shitty nuke or dot, just charm something, give it two rusty weapons and watch it melt stuff.

[Pope Hat]

Forget slows at that level. Just use a weaponized charm pet, tash, root, and keep everyone buffed.