Basic Income

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do any of you realize the effect of unearned income vs earned income and currency valuation? Really this isn't advanced economics here. Seriously stick to video games and stop trying to "fix" your own laziness with ignorant ideas like this.

I'm a Historian that tracks political precedent (both ancient and post-modern) politics and trends.

I believe we will see something like this implemented at the end of the millennial generation. Many of us will live to see this before we die, but we will not "benefit" from it.

Its inevitable.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not coming from my taxes, it's coming from the taxes of the next generation and beyond... while they are left with nothing. Amounts to the same thing just different method. Greece, Venezuela, Cuba, just one big happy family we'll be. You don't fix a problem by digging yourself deeper into the same problem.

The debt ceiling will continue to be raised, sorry to say. Makes news headlines for a few days then everyone forgets about it.

[R Flair]

Inflation would render that 25k of little value. Even if it didnt, its pretty ignorant to think most people would keep working if they had what was necessary to cover their basic needs and then some.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Inflation would render that 25k of little value. Even if it didnt, its pretty ignorant to think most people would keep working if they had what was necessary to cover their basic needs and then some.

Fixed price on necessary goods (food, rent, etc) will take care of any inflation concerns and stem market greed.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fixed price on necessary goods (food, rent, etc) will take care of any inflation concerns and stem market greed.

So the solution would be even bigger controlling government and it's heavy reliance on corporatism? Dude, look at 0bama, the guy that claimed he was no shill of special interest lobbyists when he was trying to get elected. Then becoming the president with the most amount of banking lobbyists in his administration.

This has nothing at all to do with "market greed", but big government and their indulgence of corporatism (understand I'm not speaking of all corporations, but actual corporatism by mega corps in with the government). It's going to magically go away? eh no. It's not the little guy that buys a house and rents it out as being the problem. And once the next thing fails, and it will, it'll become a double down yet again, oh and you better believe while corporatism thrives even more.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the solution would be even bigger controlling government and it's heavy reliance on corporatism? Dude, look at 0bama, the guy that claimed he was no shill of special interest lobbyists when he was trying to get elected. Then becoming the president with the most amount of banking lobbyists in his administration.

This has nothing at all to do with "market greed", but big government and their indulgence of corporatism (understand I'm not speaking of all corporations, but actual corporatism by mega corps in with the government). It's going to magically go away? eh no. It's not the little guy that buys a house and rents it out. And once the next thing fails, and it will, it'll become a double down yet again, oh and you better believe while corporatism thrives even more.

You make a good point. Corporatism is the bigger issue right now.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You make a good point. Corporatism is the bigger issue right now.

Yep, I do believe it really is. I mean before anything at all can work, that is the central issue that needs to be dealt with.

And dealing with it doesn't mean like what happened in Britain when the occupy movement arrived there. I remember watching the riots (via videos) as they burnt down their neighborhoods. These two girls in their early 20's standing outside a small family owned furniture shop being burnt down as the girls screamed "down with the 1% !!!" *face palm*

It seems like whenever we step out to do something good, some how ideology over-rides our initial observations of the central problem we set out to eliminate. We just default to what we think how things should be after that elimination, yet while not yet eliminated. Then it all just breaks down and we are still where we started.

[jcr4990]

Automation is coming and its coming FAST. Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Basic income may or may not be a solution but SOMETHING is gonna have to give. Just think about how many jobs are going to disappear from self driving cars (and more importantly big trucks) alone? The fast food industry is well on its way to full automation too. At some point the very core of our society is going to have to radically change. Somehow I'm guessing things will have to get drastically worse and blood will have to be shed before things change significantly though. Human nature and all that.

[JurisDictum]

The reason right-leaning people support this more often then you would think at a glance, is because they view it as a way of getting rid of bureaucracy and simplifying government into straight redistribution.
And it is simply a fact that there is going to be a problem eventually when humans are no longer needed for labor jobs (and even a lot of technical jobs).

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Automation is coming and its coming FAST. Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Basic income may or may not be a solution but SOMETHING is gonna have to give. Just think about how many jobs are going to disappear from self driving cars (and more importantly big trucks) alone? The fast food industry is well on its way to full automation too. At some point the very core of our society is going to have to radically change. Somehow I'm guessing things will have to get drastically worse and blood will have to be shed before things change significantly though. Human nature and all that.

Aaaaaaaand.... the robot cars are going to force you to go into the robot fast food joint?

This may sound odd to some, but I have been doing this thang for a lot of years now. If I don't like how a company operates, I go someplace else O.o

I know... I know... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] silly. I almost sound like... I don't know... an anti-corporatist? or anti-establishment? idk...
I still do business with some (e.g. M$ though I hate them), but largely I exercise choice when purchasing goods and services and from whom. I even try to make an effort to buy things other than Monsanto GMO concoctions... my attempts to support the organic farmers which are being crippled by this corporatism. Though in that case, good luck here in the US totally avoiding Monsanto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason right-leaning people support this more often then you would think at a glance, is because they view it as a way of getting rid of bureaucracy and simplifying government into straight redistribution.
And it is simply a fact that there is going to be a problem eventually when humans are no longer needed for labor jobs (and even a lot of technical jobs).

^ see and this is my example to my previous post as to why it could never be fixed (or the problem conquered), to why the attempt fails every time. They have us brain-fart propagandized to ignore them while they turn us on each other. And this is tue intentional propaganda they wash us thru and thru by using the mass media. They mold our opinions, and set us loose to fight eachother while they keep going on with what they are doing and we can do nothing to stop it.