Quick question on exp pen.

[Yak]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There has to be some sort of shared penalty, theres no way a halfling rog and ogre sk would be gaining equal exp otherwise...

That makes no sense what you said. Let's say we kill a mob that gives 100 XP, just making this up. With the 68% penalty for a Troll, you get 32 xp and with my +5%, I would get 105%. Why would that not work?

[Rhambuk]

Like I said at 45 as a halfling rog, +19% bonus I think halfling 10 rog 9, and ogre sk 68% penalty? or something.

Either way after so many kills hed call out he gained 1blue in the same time I had gained 1blue. So either shared group exp means = group exp at the same lvl or something is screwy because you would think halfling rog would gain more exp than ogre sk...

[Yak]

Can anyone clear this up?

[Rejuvenation]

Yes, class and race penalties are shared. Nobody will outlevel another player if they are grouped regardless of exp modifiers.

A patch was put in much to the chagrin of many of the players that implemented this. It is how live was until late velious when class penalties were removed.

[Dr4z3r]

Originally Posted by Yak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can anyone clear this up?

I don't see that anything is unclear: All exp penalties are split evenly among the group, so that any two characters of the same level in the same group will level at exactly the same rate.

[Sarkhan]

Originally Posted by Pyrocat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By Race:
Troll -20%
Iksar -20%
Ogre -15%
Barbarian -5%
Halfling +5%

By Class:
Paladin / Shadowknight / Ranger / Bard -40%
Monk -20%
Wizard / Magician / Enchanter / Necromancer -10%
Rogue +9%
Warrior +10%

Exp penalties are multiplied not added, so a troll sk would be (1.4 x 1.2 = 1.68 or 68% penalty)

That was taken from the FAQ page. If Pyrocat is correct about the listed Race / Class exp penalties/bonuses and if it is true that penalties are multiplied and not added then it looks good except the math does look a little odd to me. If lvling goes off anything like atk vs. slow/haste then a "normal" character lvls at a rate of 100% (1.00). A troll SK should be -20% X -40% --> 0.80 X 0.60 = 0.48. So in reality a Troll SK "should" be at a 48% penalty (and not 68%) making his lvling go at a rate of 52% compared to normal 100%.. So mob that gives 100 exp to human druid would give only 52 exp to troll SK.

Now how it goes when grouped I am less sure but I believe everyone "shares" the penalty. I'm going to ignore group bonus so a halfling warrior (1.05X1.10=1.155-->116%) grouped with a troll sk they would share their penalties/bonuses so (0.52X1.16=0.6032)... they'd be lvling at roughly 60% (0.60) of a "normal". Once again I'm not sure how group exp works but I think it'd go something along the lines of each person would get 60% of what half the mob's exp was. So mob that gives 100exp to solo human druid would be split into half to give half to halfling and half to troll.. but then you apply their penalties so (50 X 0.6= 30) 30 exp per kill. . . So grouping is very beneficial to hybrids since their exp doesn't quite get cut in half from adding a buddy (unless that buddy also has the penalty they do) but it does kinda suck for non-hybrids since adding 1 person cuts it in more than half.

If someone who knows how group exp works please correct me but I do believe I at least covered how you calculate race/class penalties.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

search posts by me for a full explanation. I don't feel like typing it all again.

[Dr4z3r]

Originally Posted by Sarkhan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If lvling goes off anything like atk vs. slow/haste then a "normal" character lvls at a rate of 100% (1.00). A troll SK should be -20% X -40% --> 0.80 X 0.60 = 0.48. So in reality a Troll SK "should" be at a 48% penalty (and not 68%) making his lvling go at a rate of 52% compared to normal 100%.. So mob that gives 100 exp to human druid would give only 52 exp to troll SK.

You're not multiplying the right numbers.

If a Wood Elf Druid takes 100 xp to get from level 1 to level 2, then a Troll Shadow Knight takes (100 * 1.4 * 1.2)=168xp to get from level 1 to level 2.

This is demonstrable in that no matter what race/class combo you are, you lose the same portion of your xp bar with each death. The death penalty is a loss of xp equal to 10% of the xp it took to gain your last level (this, in turn, is demonstrable in that a death at levels 31, 36, 41, and 46 causes twice as much xp loss as a death at other levels).

[Yak]

Originally Posted by Dumesh Uhl'Belk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

search posts by me for a full explanation. I don't feel like typing it all again.

Why not just provide us the link?

[Yak]

Originally Posted by Dr4z3r [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're not multiplying the right numbers.

If a Wood Elf Druid takes 100 xp to get from level 1 to level 2, then a Troll Shadow Knight takes (100 * 1.4 * 1.2)=168xp to get from level 1 to level 2.

This is demonstrable in that no matter what race/class combo you are, you lose the same portion of your xp bar with each death. The death penalty is a loss of xp equal to 10% of the xp it took to gain your last level (this, in turn, is demonstrable in that a death at levels 31, 36, 41, and 46 causes twice as much xp loss as a death at other levels).

Not talking about the death penalty here. Talking about group XP.