Project 1999

Go Back   Project 1999 > Blue Community > Blue Server Chat

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 11-13-2016, 05:19 PM
fadetree fadetree is offline
Planar Protector


Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,958
Default

Well, sort of. The technical meaning of meta is that is "one level up" in abstraction. So you have a game, and it has rules. Do the rules have rules? Yes, a rule about a rule (for instance, saying that 'all game rules should be fair') is a meta-rule. It's a rule about rules. Or take mathematics...you can do math with actual numbers, but you can also do math about math. for instance, there are branches of number theory that are essentially math about math...that's meta-math. Data about data is meta-data. Anything that references itself but from a higher, wider perspective is meta.
I wouldn't say that a community forming around a game is meta, unless the community was a game too. Same with EC tunnel, I wouldn't call that meta...it's a game WITHIN a game but that doesn't make it meta. It if were a game ABOUT a game then yeah.
__________________
The Ancient Ranger
Awake again.
Last edited by fadetree; 11-13-2016 at 05:27 PM..
  #12  
Old 11-13-2016, 08:37 PM
A1rh3ad A1rh3ad is offline
Sarnak

A1rh3ad's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Neriak
Posts: 222
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Well, sort of. The technical meaning of meta is that is "one level up" in abstraction. So you have a game, and it has rules. Do the rules have rules? Yes, a rule about a rule (for instance, saying that 'all game rules should be fair') is a meta-rule. It's a rule about rules. Or take mathematics...you can do math with actual numbers, but you can also do math about math. for instance, there are branches of number theory that are essentially math about math...that's meta-math. Data about data is meta-data. Anything that references itself but from a higher, wider perspective is meta.
I wouldn't say that a community forming around a game is meta, unless the community was a game too. Same with EC tunnel, I wouldn't call that meta...it's a game WITHIN a game but that doesn't make it meta. It if were a game ABOUT a game then yeah.

Metagaming is any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game. Another definition refers to the game universe outside of the game itself.

The fact that people have set EC tunnel as a trading spot is meta. People designate and name camping spots where they pull npcs to in order for the group to kill. This is also meta. People use forums and message boards for permission to raid or camp npcs. This is another form of meta.
Last edited by A1rh3ad; 11-13-2016 at 08:41 PM..
  #13  
Old 11-13-2016, 08:49 PM
A1rh3ad A1rh3ad is offline
Sarnak

A1rh3ad's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Neriak
Posts: 222
Default

Sandbox type games like this are majority meta. Anything that comes out of the players imagination and not the game itself is meta. It could be something as simple as the ruins in FoB being the binding spot for people who are kos with iksar. Someone started that tradition, not the game devs.
  #14  
Old 11-13-2016, 09:09 PM
Dreenk317 Dreenk317 is offline
Fire Giant

Dreenk317's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 699
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by A1rh3ad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Sandbox type games like this are majority meta. Anything that comes out of the players imagination and not the game itself is meta. It could be something as simple as the ruins in FoB being the binding spot for people who are kos with iksar. Someone started that tradition, not the game devs.
Actually, it is the devs who started this, seeing as they are the ones who coded it to be a melee bind point. That being said this game is ripe with "meta gaming". And I agree, it is one of the things that has kept it viable, and great.

And....

You two are using two different definitions of "meta". Airhead is using the more gamer oriented definition. The other is the more literal, websters-esque definition.
  #15  
Old 11-13-2016, 09:13 PM
Ravager Ravager is offline
Planar Protector


Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 2,730
Default

This is meta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDXgG29tB3U
  #16  
Old 11-13-2016, 10:32 PM
A1rh3ad A1rh3ad is offline
Sarnak

A1rh3ad's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Neriak
Posts: 222
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Yeah in filmography that is also meta. Like how Tim Allan has a TV show on a TV show. Meta has a very non specific definition and can apply to different types of meta.
Last edited by A1rh3ad; 11-13-2016 at 10:35 PM..
  #17  
Old 11-14-2016, 08:37 AM
Jimjam Jimjam is offline
Planar Protector


Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 12,462
Default

I'm not sure if EC tunnel is truly meta;

It's called the common lands, possibly because it is shared among races and accessible to most.

There is a supply vendor that caters to all races with nearby towns that service most alignments.

There are fires and torches making it cosy day or night.

Trade caravans and the like surround the area.

The fact it is the perfect storm for a trade centre is not an accident. It is intentional design the devs tried to encourage.
  #18  
Old 11-14-2016, 09:32 AM
Rygar Rygar is offline
Planar Protector

Rygar's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,891
Default

How is your girl liking the game?
__________________
Wedar - Level 60 Grandmaster (Retired)
  #19  
Old 11-14-2016, 10:09 AM
fadetree fadetree is offline
Planar Protector


Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,958
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by A1rh3ad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Metagaming is any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game. Another definition refers to the game universe outside of the game itself.

The fact that people have set EC tunnel as a trading spot is meta. People designate and name camping spots where they pull npcs to in order for the group to kill. This is also meta. People use forums and message boards for permission to raid or camp npcs. This is another form of meta.
I know what you mean, but I don't agree. Nothing that you cite meets the technical definition of meta. It's come to be used for all the things you mention, but that's not the original meaning. Referring to things 'outside' the game is not meta unless they also form a game that is about EQ. You are missing the self-referencing required for meta. A Game about games is a metagame, Data about data is metadata. Rules about rules are metarules. Deciding to put trading in EC is not meta, it's just a decision. But whatever, it looks like commonly meta is being used for just being 'about' something rather than being the 'same exact thing, one level up'.
__________________
The Ancient Ranger
Awake again.
  #20  
Old 11-14-2016, 12:35 PM
Kaedain Kaedain is offline
Sarnak


Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 314
Default

this is kinda like music nerds discussion genres of music.. totally not post punk revival man
Closed Thread


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:31 PM.


Everquest is a registered trademark of Daybreak Game Company LLC.
Project 1999 is not associated or affiliated in any way with Daybreak Game Company LLC.
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.