Rule Clarification

[branamil]

When someone petitioned me, LLANDRIS showed up and said, you can only claim one spawn that is not claimed. Any spawn that is not claimed is FTE.

[Sancta]

Seafury island is FTE on the basis of

Article 16
Clause 369a. sit down and shutup

Normally you can camp one spawn all to yourself no matter what's happening around you, kind of like a safe space. The OP post is just an example of trying to lawyer quest in a place where it's generally considered FTE even if a seafury spawns in one spot, it doesn't move, is considered a single spawn, you were sitting near the spawn, you claimed that one spot all to yourself, and announced it to the world while screaming at the top of your lungs in OOC while petitioning a GM to save you from another FTE'd seafury from under your nose. Can you claim it and petition GM according to the rules? Yes, you'd be in the right according to the server rules, and seems fine for a named or unique mob that you've been camping, but seafuries spawn every 6 mins and there are many of them. This would be saying "no" to the play nice policy in many ways so just go grab another seafury while adhering to article 16 clause 369a.

AC in OOT is an entirely different kind of spawn.

[thebutthat]

I've always treated the island as FTE. If someone is sitting right on top of the spawn, I'll give them a few seconds to engage, but if it starts wandering, pew pew pew mine.

[Triiz]

Llandris clarified his statement later in the thread you quoted from.

Originally Posted by Llandris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong. I guess I should have been more clear in my explanation. If you are sitting on a single spawn point, then sure, you can "camp" it. But if you and another player are camping 1 spawn point each, and fighting over a 3rd spawn point (that is not camped by someone), that NPC then becomes FTE. Don't expect to sit on multiple spawn points and claim it as a camp, you get 1 spawn point, the rest are FTE.

[Troxx]

In this example I had been doing both spawns. Hilltop was down and I was just floating above tree spawn sitting/waiting when a second party arrived and just decided to sit closer to what I was already waiting on. As I said, for this instance the whole argument is irrelevant as you can't claim something that someone else has been clearing and is literally sitting there waiting to spawn. A traditional camp dispute, as pointed out by Sam early on in this thread starts with the decision on the part of the original camper to commit to one spawn and voluntarily relinquish the other. Point is a full discussion takes place between vying parties (and not seconds before it spawns) before the newly arrived party just considers it their camp as they are sitting closest. As with this case, time stamps just demonstrate an attempt to kill a mob already enganged (albeit about a 1 second difference in who aggro'd first. This scenario ended well. 2 petitions went in with mine specifically requesting no punishment or official warning should the other party be at fault - I just wanted clarification. Afterwards we talked it out well and moved on but were both left wondering what the real rule for the area is.

I'm aware of how camp disputes work in general, I and others have simply seen a longstanding track record of no mob on the island is 'campable' and the whole place is FTE. If it's deemed that spawns (single) can be camped then great. If not - that's fine too. I just want to make sure the rules aren't vague. In the case of 'XXXX' - that person felt justified in trying to out dps me. I don't want the XXXX's out there to get in trouble for trying to defend what they feel is right - nor do I want the "me's" that find themselves in my situation to get in trouble because the status quo has always been FTE - only to learn after the fact that mobs can be camped and they just snagged a mob that was claimed.

Both of us just want to know the rules and expectations so as to not violate said rules.

-Is the island all FTE?
-Are single spawns campable on seafury island?
-If single spawns are campable are you limited to claiming just one (I suspect yes)?
-If limited to camping just one, do you void your claim to that one camp if you run off to pull another mob (or mobs) but are back to your 'camp' in time to engage by the time it spawns again?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-Is the island all FTE?
-Are single spawns campable on seafury island?
-If single spawns are campable are you limited to claiming just one (I suspect yes)?
-If limited to camping just one, do you void your claim to that one camp if you run off to pull another mob (or mobs) but are back to your 'camp' in time to engage by the time it spawns again?

Dude, why do you keep repeating the same questions when multiple people have already answered you? There's even quotes from a guide above, specifically for Seafury island, which directly answering your questions; what more could you possibly want from a response?

Originally Posted by Llandris

Wrong. I guess I should have been more clear in my explanation. If you are sitting on a single spawn point, then sure, you can "camp" it. But if you and another player are camping 1 spawn point each, and fighting over a 3rd spawn point (that is not camped by someone), that NPC then becomes FTE. Don't expect to sit on multiple spawn points and claim it as a camp, you get 1 spawn point, the rest are FTE.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude, why do you keep repeating the same questions when multiple people have already answered you (and when all of this has already been answered in multiple previous threads prior to your's)? There's even quotes from a guide above, addressing this exact issue on Seafury island!

Either you don't care about people's responses (in which case, why are you asking the questions), or you're waiting for a staff member .... but it's not like the staff is going to respond to every single person's Seafury thread personally.

Deep breaths Loramin. Try not to get so worked up.

Even aspects of your own responses across multiple threads in the past have been inconsistent and vague at times. GM responses have likewise been inconsistent with everything from "that island is FTE" to follow-on statements that under certain circumstances you can claim a camp.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Deep breaths Loramin. Try not to get so worked up.

Even aspects of your own responses across multiple threads in the past have been inconsistent and vague at times. GM responses have likewise been inconsistent with everything from "that island is FTE" to follow-on statements that under certain circumstances you can claim a camp.

Nobody's worked up, but it is irritating when someone keeps repeating "answer me", and then people do answer them, and still they keep asking the exact same question.

As I said, you've already gotten lots of responses, including one that's as canonical as you're going to get: a guide answering your exact question in the exact same zone. If that won't satisfy you, what will?

Saying what you're looking for will be a lot more productive then repeating the same (already-answered) questions ... so what exactly is it that you are expecting to get that you haven't gotten from any of the previous responses?

[maskedmelon]

1. default for all spawns is FTE
2. having secured FTE, you may camp spawn points.
3. if someone else shows up, they get one (you choose which one you keep) and everything else is FTE.

in your particular situation he/she/it should have asked which you wanted to keep, or you should have told he/she/it which you were keeping ^^

[Triiz]

-Is the island all FTE?
Yes if no one is sitting on single spawns.

-Are single spawns campable on seafury island?
Yes, there aren't special rules for seafury island. Single mobs are campable in any outdoor zone (see the thread you quoted where Cecily points this out to Llandris, and he responds with the quote I posted)

-If single spawns are campable are you limited to claiming just one (I suspect yes)?
Yes, you can compete for others if you don't leave your camp but you will be competing against the masses for those extras(Multiple places you can sit on a spawn and grab at least one other without moving)

-If limited to camping just one, do you void your claim to that one camp if you run off to pull another mob (or mobs) but are back to your 'camp' in time to engage by the time it spawns again?
Yes, again there aren't special rules for Seafury island

You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp -- P99 play nice policy

In my experience, the regulars of Seafury island know all of this. I haven't been out there much lately, but when I used to be out there in the mornings I would sit on a single spawn while I'm doing other things and chuck javelins at any others I might see passing by that are in range, very rarely have I had anyone try to steal the spawn I was sitting on.