Guild summit

[loramin]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those ones aren't affected by the changes made at the summit.

He has a point though.

It's not common, but new guilds do form, and existing guilds that didn't use to raid start raiding. For instance, not that long ago ALS went from being a pure leveling guild to being the biggest component of AEGIS. Had that shift occurred after this summit, they wouldn't have had a rep there, and wouldn't know the raid rules even though they became raiders.

At the very least someone should update the wiki (http://wiki.project1999.com/FTE_Race_Lines), but really if these are official rules it'd be nice if the staff posted them somewhere official.

[Puluin]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those ones aren't affected by the changes made at the summit.

No CotH racing on Gorenaire/Severilous/Statue of Rallos Zek/King Tormax/Dain

Rotations for Tunare and Ring 10 War between Aftermath, Azure Guard, Riot, Kittens/Aegis/Blood Guard

Concessions for Statue of Rallos Zek apply for Avatar of War

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Most of that was hashed out before/after the summit, not during. The summit was a lot of off-topic "discussion" (ranting/anecdotes) with very little actually being accomplished over 4 hours because there wasn't a strong structure to it and everyone wanted to get their say.

Still not official until posted in raid rules....
Or at least a forum posts by guild leaders making a "player agreement"

[mumpz]

Originally Posted by Puluin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still not official until posted in raid rules....
Or at least a forum posts by guild leaders making a "player agreement"

as far as i know, all guilds are follow the rules nonetheless.

[baakss]

Originally Posted by Lothisu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats a fair point but still these rules should be broadcasted to the entire server so everyone is on the same page. Several defined "raid targets" can be killed with less then a group

And very often those ‘less than groups’ break the raid rules. For example, the for-profit hate farmers tend to log in to Hate directly to assassinate minis. There’s a few toons parked up there for that purpose specifically that participate in fights.

[hobart]

Originally Posted by Lothisu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats a fair point but still these rules should be broadcasted to the entire server so everyone is on the same page. Several defined "raid targets" can be killed with less then a group

RMT still against the server rules, Kluwen. That's the one you should be worried about.

[feniin]

Only guilds involved in the agreements are bound to those particular rules/rotations. Everyone else just has to abide by server raid rules.

[enesis]

I believe Llandris has requested Raid Discussion access for a bunch of guild representatives so that the "agreements" can start to be posted on the forums (along with concessions and other information that may affect groups beyond those involved in the discussions). I know that had been suggested with the FTE race lines. But even if it's a matter of waiting for the appropriate people to be flagged for the raid forum, those people will change over time, and there will always be a lag between the "private" negotiations and the "public" outcome.

[feniin]

If your guild leadership isn't sharing the information with you then that's on them and their poor leadership. If they are sharing and you're ignoring it then it's your fault and you should feel bad. If your guild isn't involved in the discussion you weren't going to get the target anyway.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If your guild isn't involved in the discussion you weren't going to get the target anyway.

Again, while this is usually true, it's not 100%. A few months ago (actually we're probably closer to a year now) ALS was a non-raiding leveling guild. Today, they're in ToV.

It's not at all commons, but new guilds do emerge and existing non-raid guilds do start raiding. And that's not even addressing pickup raids, which hypothetically could happen tomorrow led by someone who has no clue about the guild summit.

IF what was discussed at the summit was just an agreement between the current raid guilds, then none of that matters. Any new folks don't have to abide by it, and if the other guilds want them to abide by those rules they can talk, explain the rules, etc.

But if the server has any rules that affect all raids in general, those rules really should be available for all, because again the raid scene is not so perfectly stable that we never have new entrants.

[Puluin]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If your guild leadership isn't sharing the information with you then that's on them and their poor leadership. If they are sharing and you're ignoring it then it's your fault and you should feel bad. If your guild isn't involved in the discussion you weren't going to get the target anyway.

My guild follows the posted raid rules. If it's not in raid faq then it's not a real rule and is simply a temporary agreement by two people that literally no one else outside of those people has to follow.

Also from listening to the audio... it is very unclear what actually got agreed on. Sounded more like multiple guilds all arguing over who was more important for their personal opinion to matter. Sure didn't seem like any suggestions were put forth for the benefit of the server as a whole. Instead it 100% sounded like each guild trying to adjust the rules in their favor.