Official Staff Explanation on how Green Hybrid/Race Penalty XP will function, please?

[Chortles Snort|eS]

I guess I just wanted to know officially if a full group with me a troll (SK) in it will get negative XP
I didn’t stop to think the answer to this question would be confidential
Thank you elveS

[Deathrydar]

Originally Posted by Chortles Snort|eS [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess I just wanted to know officially if a full group with me a troll (SK) in it will get negative XP
I didn’t stop to think the answer to this question would be confidential
Thank you elveS

Don't even worry about it. If you can't find a group due to the experience penalty, let me know and I will come and group with you!

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by zaneosak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bottom line #2 -- stay within a level of your group mates

Which is also simply a good rule of thumb for xp grouping in general regardless of any penalties, and really the number one thing to consider overall. Which is why its extra obnoxious seeing stuff like those level 45's show up in KC and act all ignorant if someone tells them to go back to CoM.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

Originally Posted by zaneosak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hello sir. I made this google sheet to hypothetically build groups and see the outcome: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

You can download your own copy of the sheet and play with it yourself if you wish.

I have went ahead and taken your scnerio and built it out real fast -- I used level 17s camping orc highway as an example. Zone and levels of your counterparts have a huge impact on how the XP will distribute, for this example I did not put any other hybrids in it but the main thing you should take away is that if you are ALL THE SAME LEVEL, you will take the same amount of kills to level due to the fact that you need more xp to get your level and they need less, which in turn means you take more xp per mob and they take less. This is the same concept with leveling with higher / lower level people.

Bottom line -- it wont be that bad if you are playing with people around your level. As a Troll Shadowknight though, if you group with people ALOT HIGHER LEVEL than you, then you will start to feel the sting of the penalty alot more than if you stayed with people your level. And much the same concept, your group mates won't see the massive negative effects of grouping with you unless you are 1-2 levels higher than them.

bottom line #2 -- stay within a level of your group mates and you wont feel the effects as badly and neither will they.


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Thank u for this

[zaneosak]

Originally Posted by Chortles Snort|eS [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess I just wanted to know officially if a full group with me a troll (SK) in it will get negative XP
I didn’t stop to think the answer to this question would be confidential
Thank you elveS

Not sure if you saw my reply above but you will see that you won't ever get negative experience as far as net XP, you will slightly hurt the groups total XP per hour gain by a small amount. For example if you are swapped out with a Warrior Human as a tank, the group will have to kill 30 less mobs (maybe 30-40 minutes of time) to ding. It's not going to be significant enough for people to avoid you.

[Baler]

according to the patch notes I linked they had groups exp being averaged to compensate for hybrid exp penalty. I dont know if that was classic or if that will be on green.

[zaneosak]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which is also simply a good rule of thumb for xp grouping in general regardless of any penalties, and really the number one thing to consider overall. Which is why its extra obnoxious seeing stuff like those level 45's show up in KC and act all ignorant if someone tells them to go back to CoM.

So true -- I wish I knew back in the day how bad that effected me. Even on P99 going to Sebilis as a 52 to get in what I thought was a sweet XP group in the disco.... when I did not even realize how badly I was gimping myself grouping with 5 level 54-56 players. The things we learn over time.

[BlackBellamy]

I would like an Official Staff Explanation (OSE) on what to do about people making up Excel sheets so they can justify their math-based racism.

[zaneosak]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would like an Official Staff Explanation (OSE) on what to do about people making up Excel sheets so they can justify their math-based racism.

Good thing this tool was created to combat that and show people who are worried about it that the actual real-game examples as it plays out usually amount to what is a +/- hour of game time gained or lost in an average case of grouping. Math nerds who like numbers like myself win and so does everybody else who wants to know the real effects of the system. win-win.

[El-Hefe]

SK and Pally Hybrid penalty means people might actually play Warriors.

People don't get that every little thing that gets changed ripples through the server in big ways, you might think that removing hybrid penalties is a small change that won't hurt anyone. But it'd drastically change the make up of the server and skew it towards being overall less classic.