Most Effective Class Combations

[Messianic]

Wizard is only a force multiplier in an AoE group. Anywhere else, you're better off with a mage or other misc DPS.

[Frytard]

If starting from scratch, necro and Druid is the best power leveling outdoor combo in the game ( maybe necro necro if you want to play same class ) don't think there should be a debate about it.

[Frytard]

Actually shaman necro as well, but reason why I say Druid is because of track and easier to get around

[Bassracerx]

really sick of threads like this

[shuklak]

Originally Posted by Bassracerx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

really sick of threads like this

Call me a doctor then, because I've got your treatment.

Stop reading them.

[Caravelle1]

TBH one of my favorites was enchanter/paladin

Best haste in game / clarity
Slows on mobs / CC mobs for single pulls

With the CC Debuffs and clarity the pally can usually just heal himself after a mob

Oh yeah and rune for tough fights

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Hottbiscuits Dreadmuffin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard/????? I've heard Bard/Bard works, but I've never seen it.

Might be brutal on your exp bar, but you can't really go wrong with a bard if you have the patience for it.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Hottbiscuits Dreadmuffin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard/????? I've heard Bard/Bard works, but I've never seen it.

Anything and everything is slower than a bard soloing. But, if you want to run something with a bard, and want to exploit their absolute expertise at kiting, then bring along a non-target-capped AE (usually reserved for the PBAEs) class. I know wizzies and druids have PBAEs, but I also think clerics have some too. Mostly, just buff the bard to his highest chance of survival (all the AC/HP you can toss on him), let him pull the whole zone, and then stand in his kite path (preferably a circle), and after he has some aggro drop the PBAE bomb. If he has enough mobs, you might also want to turn off the spell landing/damage spam, it can literally make you crash to desktop without warning. Just be sure to stay under the bards aggro; if the pack turns on you, you will get a loading message before you get a damage message.

[Hottbiscuits Dreadmuffin]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anything and everything is slower than a bard soloing. But, if you want to run something with a bard, and want to exploit their absolute expertise at kiting, then bring along a non-target-capped AE (usually reserved for the PBAEs) class. I know wizzies and druids have PBAEs, but I also think clerics have some too. Mostly, just buff the bard to his highest chance of survival (all the AC/HP you can toss on him), let him pull the whole zone, and then stand in his kite path (preferably a circle), and after he has some aggro drop the PBAE bomb. If he has enough mobs, you might also want to turn off the spell landing/damage spam, it can literally make you crash to desktop without warning. Just be sure to stay under the bards aggro; if the pack turns on you, you will get a loading message before you get a damage message.

I've seen quite a few Bard trains in OT lately, and it looks really fun. I'd imagined a wizard with a bard before doing exactly as you're describing and I was worried that the wizard would catch aggro and get himself pulverized.

Clerics have the "Word of ----" line, but it's really weak. I use it for faction farming, but other than it seems like a waste of mana in a regular group if I don't have clarity.

Would it be counter productive to have two bards kiting together? I can't imagine their damage spells stack, but it would make it easier for them to each twist the maximum amount of songs at once? Devil's advocate makes me ask why I wouldn't just get better at twisting at that point. It seems fun, but is it worth it?

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Hottbiscuits Dreadmuffin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was worried that the wizard would catch aggro and get himself pulverized.

I've done this with a guild wizard. We die frequently because he likes to push the aggro boundary, and I also get distracted by watching his flames. If the wizard dies, I keep kiting the pack and wait for him to get back to finish off the pack. If the bard dies, both die.

Originally Posted by Hottbiscuits Dreadmuffin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clerics have the "Word of ----" line, but it's really weak. I use it for faction farming, but other than it seems like a waste of mana in a regular group if I don't have clarity.

Since the cleric can't heal the bard during the kite for fear of pulling aggro (unless the bard has sufficient aggro from AE dotting down already), the cleric can throw those mana inefficient PBAEs to contribute something. Damage is better than no damage.

Originally Posted by Hottbiscuits Dreadmuffin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would it be counter productive to have two bards kiting together? I can't imagine their damage spells stack, but it would make it easier for them to each twist the maximum amount of songs at once? Devil's advocate makes me ask why I wouldn't just get better at twisting at that point. It seems fun, but is it worth it?

I do not believe their damage spells do stack. However, the other bard could play chords (LVL2 dot) and as long as he stays under the aggro will be good to go. They can't both kite the aggro, the tight circle that bards run is required for their PBAE dot to hit. One bard needs to have the entire pack on him and in a tight little bunch just outside his hip pocket for the kite to work. Also, and my wizard buddy will attest, if aggro does turn on you, chances are you are dead before you can run away.

Kiting is also not a matter of twisting the max number of songs. I sing 2 songs: selos, and the 18 dot (denons?). If i get hit, 99% of the time I'm dead, so hymn won't help. If I sing a single target dot, then my target dies long before my pack. If I mess up and selos drops, there's a 80% chance I'm dead. I only need 2 songs to AE kite, and I can easily accomplish that without a 2nd bard.