Good fix Nilbog, but how about making this playable now?

[Yoink1986]

Why have classic mechanics on a non classic server. Keep em rooted.

[Mblake81]

6. Allow any dragon to be pulled to entrance.

that's the key isn't it.

8. DA idols are no drop, Cleric/Pal only and changed to very rare.

The guys who remember EQ raiding for that one specific zone involving groups crawling have had their fun for sometime. Now might be the time to consider returning it to the way other people remember classic TOV, which is zone pulling the dragons there.

You can search the forum, iirc plenty of screenshots have been provided proving it was done. It really doesn't matter though and no sarcasm when I say you can pull a lion to Karana bridge because you can.

Grats

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that's the key isn't it.

8. DA idols are no drop, Cleric/Pal only and changed to very rare.

The guys who remember EQ raiding for that one specific zone involving groups crawling have had their fun for sometime. Now might be the time to consider returning it to the way other people remember classic TOV, which is zone pulling the dragons there.

You can search the forum, iirc plenty of screenshots have been provided proving it was done. It really doesn't matter though and no sarcasm when I say you can pull a lion to Karana bridge because you can.

Grats

youc an change that and mage still best, triple DA even without idol. more if you can stutter step another earring charge

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

youc an change that and mage still best, triple DA even without idol. more if you can stutter step another earring charge

You're right.

I am simply at the end of my rope trying to pay attention to comms with some doofus monk "WHO HAS MY DA IDOL.. WHATS UP WHO HAS IT"

Fuck that noise.

[Mblake81]

heh, I swear if I hear one more squalling monk in comms crying for a DA idol you have no idea how many hobbits and gnome will suffer my wrath.

[kelsoider]

Let the dragons spawn unrooted in random zones at random times.

[Hyjalx]

Little long, but dragons were 100% being pulled to zone in/zone out during this era.


The main reason why I even defend pulling dragons to entrance/exit is from witnessing it myself on Bristlebane. I was a raid leader in Club fu from Classic-Velious era.

Toward the end of velious era, a little known euro guild named Arch Overseers started to attempt ToV targets after patch day (I think it was Tuesday morning when servers came up). They were strictly an EAST ToV guild, that everyone overlooked.

Club Fu was a PST timeframe guild. Ring of Valor was pretty much the same. We use to headbutt in ToV at Aary pit often. Shiften the Shapeshifter (our GM at the time) had to seperate us quite a bit. I know Eratani and a few OG's remember this well. AO wasn't even in the picture.

Well, one day AO started pulling Ikatar to zone in. I remember laughing watching Vabtoo/Vabeker die all afternoon pulling iky to zone in, and the subsequent guild wipes after.

Well, Ikatar eventually died. Then Vabtoo pulled Eashan to zone in... and he died too. Before we knew it, All of ToV would be cleared out before 2pm weekly.

We woke sleeper not long after AO started showing up in ST. We were farming ToV and Sleepers for many months and were burning out. Club Fu was a shell of its former self (sound familiar?)

The point of my story is, NToV targets were coming to entrance/exit during this era. In Club Fu we pulled west dragons to West exit as well. Just because it was 20 years ago, didn't mean we were all idiots. So thats Ikatar, Eashan, LTK, Telk, and Gozz that I know for a fact whether people believe me or not. We fought Aary around the corner before the pit/stairs and summoned to the safe hallway in North... which use to be kinda near doubles, but wasn't actually in doubles.


Before we crumbled we made a half ass effort to try to raid early and login before AO did on patch day, but failed. That's Everquest.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Hyjalx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Little long, but dragons were 100% being pulled to zone in/zone out during this era.


The main reason why I even defend pulling dragons to entrance/exit is from witnessing it myself on Bristlebane. I was a raid leader in Club fu from Classic-Velious era.

Toward the end of velious era, a little known euro guild named Arch Overseers started to attempt ToV targets after patch day (I think it was Tuesday morning when servers came up). They were strictly an EAST ToV guild, that everyone overlooked.

Club Fu was a PST timeframe guild. Ring of Valor was pretty much the same. We use to headbutt in ToV at Aary pit often. Shiften the Shapeshifter (our GM at the time) had to seperate us quite a bit. I know Eratani and a few OG's remember this well. AO wasn't even in the picture.

Well, one day AO started pulling Ikatar to zone in. I remember laughing watching Vabtoo/Vabeker die all afternoon pulling iky to zone in, and the subsequent guild wipes after.

Well, Ikatar eventually died. Then Vabtoo pulled Eashan to zone in... and he died too. Before we knew it, All of ToV would be cleared out before 2pm weekly.

We woke sleeper not long after AO started showing up in ST. We were farming ToV and Sleepers for many months and were burning out. Club Fu was a shell of its former self (sound familiar?)

The point of my story is, NToV targets were coming to entrance/exit during this era. In Club Fu we pulled west dragons to West exit as well. Just because it was 20 years ago, didn't mean we were all idiots. So thats Ikatar, Eashan, LTK, Telk, and Gozz that I know for a fact whether people believe me or not. We fought Aary around the corner before the pit/stairs and summoned to the safe hallway in North... which use to be kinda near doubles, but wasn't actually in doubles.


Before we crumbled we made a half ass effort to try to raid early and login before AO did on patch day, but failed. That's Everquest.

First off ... that post brought back some memories, and it was fun to hear those names again [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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The original (1.0) Loramin started on Bristlebane, and while I was never in Fu I was friends with a lot of them IRL (for instance, I know the story of how you convinced Verant to let you have a guild essentially named "Club Fuck You").

But that aside... yes, some servers, just before Luclin, pulled dragons to the zone ... and then as soon as more servers started doing it (in Luclin) Verant quickly rooted the dragons. So, it was clearly an exploit, it got fixed on live, and the only reason it didn't get fixed during Velious is that it wasn't common enough (and maybe also the devs were too busy trying to get Luclin out the door).

Just because something happened in classic does not mean it was classic. Rotations also 100% happened on live servers during the classic era, and while I'm a big fan of having them here, I have to agree that the evidence suggests they were the minority. Rotations aren't classic ... in the sense that most people don't remember them existing in the classic era (while they also are classic by other definitions).

Pulling to zone was the same thing ... only it was also an exploit that got patched almost in the classic era. Both things are "quantumly classic", but P99 can't exist in a quantum state. So R&N have to pick a state, and of course they're going to pick the game the way it was meant to be played, and was played on most servers through most of Velious.

But like I said before: that solution was post-classic in a literal sense. If someone were to propose a better solution, that actually made the server feel more the way people remembered it being in 2001 ... maybe the staff might just embrace it.

But a solution that has the whole server pulling to zone 100% of the time most definitely isn't that.

[Endonde]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And that's the crux of the issue: we all know no one was fighting dragons at the zone line in 2001, so no solution that involves "let's go back to unclassically fighting dragons at the zone line" is ever going to fly here.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes, some servers, just before Luclin, pulled dragons to the zone .

I'm really not sure what to believe anymore.

[baakss]

Originally Posted by Hyjalx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Little long, but dragons were 100% being pulled to zone in/zone out during this era.


The main reason why I even defend pulling dragons to entrance/exit is from witnessing it myself on Bristlebane. I was a raid leader in Club fu from Classic-Velious era.

Toward the end of velious era, a little known euro guild named Arch Overseers started to attempt ToV targets after patch day (I think it was Tuesday morning when servers came up). They were strictly an EAST ToV guild, that everyone overlooked.

Club Fu was a PST timeframe guild. Ring of Valor was pretty much the same. We use to headbutt in ToV at Aary pit often. Shiften the Shapeshifter (our GM at the time) had to seperate us quite a bit. I know Eratani and a few OG's remember this well. AO wasn't even in the picture.

Well, one day AO started pulling Ikatar to zone in. I remember laughing watching Vabtoo/Vabeker die all afternoon pulling iky to zone in, and the subsequent guild wipes after.

Well, Ikatar eventually died. Then Vabtoo pulled Eashan to zone in... and he died too. Before we knew it, All of ToV would be cleared out before 2pm weekly.

We woke sleeper not long after AO started showing up in ST. We were farming ToV and Sleepers for many months and were burning out. Club Fu was a shell of its former self (sound familiar?)

The point of my story is, NToV targets were coming to entrance/exit during this era. In Club Fu we pulled west dragons to West exit as well. Just because it was 20 years ago, didn't mean we were all idiots. So thats Ikatar, Eashan, LTK, Telk, and Gozz that I know for a fact whether people believe me or not. We fought Aary around the corner before the pit/stairs and summoned to the safe hallway in North... which use to be kinda near doubles, but wasn't actually in doubles.


Before we crumbled we made a half ass effort to try to raid early and login before AO did on patch day, but failed. That's Everquest.

Do you have an in era screenshot of Vulak dead at ent?


We killed Eashen and Ikky in picture room on live, not through some sort of miracle pulling, we cleared to them and it was empty the whole way to us.

No trainups, da's, whatever.

Even top guilds like Legacy of Steel killed Dozekar in his room. Their site is still active, so you can browse their pics.