Objection : Server rez "Rules"

[Jontheripper]

Ctrl+s to sit
Ctrl+x to initiate camp
/ex to exit out of the client so you're not sitting in character select

Its the best of both worlds and really the only way to quit for the night imho

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by Savazuul [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please keep in mind that you're playing a 20 year old game on a set of servers that goes out of it's way to recreate the "classic experience" as a core tenet of it's mission. Even going as far as to recreate or "unfix" bugs in the EQEMU project to keep true to the Classic timeline.

Dying and xp loss to things beyond our control is part of that classic experience you're in this game for.

As far as what merits or does not merit a GM rez, also keep in mind that the reason we are so restrictive on what sort of events/incidents warrant a rez is because it's not always very clearly a server issue. Outside of server-wide lag spikes or crashes, it is incredibly difficult to determine what caused a death. Without some sort of definitive proof, we err on the side of that classic experience where the death penalty is harsh, and that's what we all knew going into playing a 20 year old game.

Yeah, OP keep in mind that at the very least, GM's here are VERY fast and VERY liberal about body/items recovery from rotted corpses.

"The customer service staff (GMs and Guides) will not assist players in any way in regards to this zone.
This includes help for issues such as unrecoverable corpses (see your local Necromancer),
or characters finding themselves stuck (see your local Magician), bugs, etc.
- Gordon "

Imagine them dropping the end game raid zone and our staff just saying "Do not contact us if you can't get your body for any reason"

[Evia]

Look at it this way, you get to hit max lvl twice!

[Moerne]

Sounds classic to me.

>Next, the guide rezz. NOBODY over level 20 should be confused or surprised by the incredibly limited powers a guide has. I can rezz you if 1) You zoned into lava, 2) Died due to Verant crashing (not you and your dial up, VERANT), and 3) Died to a confirmed bug. Otherwise, I can’t do it. I would love to, but I can’t.

https://eatingbees.wordpress.com/the...g-a-guide-you/

[Videri]

We must not make additional work for the all-volunteer staff. One must remember this in all things on P99.

Some would make a joke about asking for your money back.

If you had time to level a character to 60, you have time to do a little more grinding. The solution to this error, even though it is not your fault, is to go play some EverQuest.

[Moerne]

Sounds completely classic to me. From a well known rant posted by a guide back in the day:

Next, the guide rezz. NOBODY over level 20 should be confused or surprised by the incredibly limited powers a guide has. I can rezz you if 1) You zoned into lava, 2) Died due to Verant crashing (not you and your dial up, VERANT), and 3) Died to a confirmed bug. Otherwise, I can’t do it. I would love to, but I can’t.

https://eatingbees.wordpress.com/the...g-a-guide-you/

[khandman]

The correct way to log out will be to sit and click on the Camp button. This is the safest and best way to go about doing it as for those 30 seconds you will be present to react to any danger that may pop up.

If you instead typed in /Q or /LD, then you are still vulnerable for the time it would take for a Camp to run it's course, and if you have chosen to perform a /Q or /LD in an unsafe spot, then what you have experienced will be a risk that could have been avoided.

Edit : /q isn't a log out mechanism, it's a client closure mechanism. No idea what exactly /ld would have originally been intended for, but the effects are very similar to the /q

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by khandman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The correct way to log out will be to sit and click on the Camp button. This is the safest and best way to go about doing it as for those 30 seconds you will be present to react to any danger that may pop up.

If you instead typed in /Q or /LD, then you are still vulnerable for the time it would take for a Camp to run it's course, and if you have chosen to perform a /Q or /LD in an unsafe spot, then what you have experienced will be a risk that could have been avoided.

Edit : /q isn't a log out mechanism, it's a client closure mechanism. No idea what exactly /ld would have originally been intended for, but the effects are very similar to the /q

Exactly this, you brought it on yourself with your impatience.

[Nexii]

No it hasn't happened to me. I wouldn't expect a rez from a guide or GM because I was too impatient to log out of character select.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

When you forceably disconnect a game client from a game server without telling the server you are doing so (/q, restart your computer, force close, etc.), the server doesn't know what happened because you didn't send it a message before you quit. Do not assume programs can always send out a message before they close.

That is why there is no information on the server side to determine what happened. The server simply noticed you are not sending back data packets, and it puts you into the linkdead state until you either start sending packets again, or the linkdead timeout occurs and the server kicks you. That is why /q or other forceable disconnects are dangerous, because you will still be logged into the server for the timeout period until it kicks you.

This is why /camp exists. When you camp and go back to character select, you send a message to the server telling it you are logging out. If you had camped alive and saw your character was dead later, that would be visible to the GMs, as they have the log of you camping due to the message being sent to the server (assuming they log that).

EDIT: For a bit more clarity, /q doesnt send a logout message to the server for gameplay balancing reasons. This is why camping takes 30 seconds. EQ would be too easy if you could log out at any time. This is because you could log out to prevent death, for example. Just pull mobs to a safe location, and logout right before you die. Then wait a few minutes for the mobs to path back. /q is mimicing a computer crash, force close, etc., so they file it under that same umbrella of a client disconnect that couldn't send a message, such as a computer reset.