Monk - Trance Stick vs Knuckle Dusters

[Sizar]

Originally Posted by greenspectre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wu's Quivering is gonna be better DPS than twin Knuckle Dusters after 20 for quite a while.

Very true, Wu's is super cheap and very good once you hit level 20

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yes, great post Samoht! I appreciate the damage bonus chart.

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll wait on samoht to tell me how DSM is wrong

I lol'ed.

[Toxigen]

Just get an Imbued Fighters Staff and forget about the numbers.

[greenspectre]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just get an Imbued Fighters Staff and forget about the numbers.

I'd recommend this at 30.

[strongNpretty]

Man but the dusters are so cooooool lookin!

[wagorf]

how does staff of battle perform for OP's level, compared to wu stick + duster?

[greenspectre]

Originally Posted by wagorf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how does staff of battle perform for OP's level, compared to wu stick + duster?

2hb in general performs better once you lose the second damage cap at 20, and, if you're using a Staff of Battle or IFS, *even* better when you lose the final damage cap at 30. The reasoning here is that your dual wield skill/checks still aren't good enough to out-damage the crazy ratios on these 2hb weapons.

In a perfect world where you would never miss a dual wield check, twin KD's would be roughly equivalent to a 28/28 2hb. Wu Quivering is a 23/28 (All other 2hb mentioned are better so we can use WQ as baseline). So you'd have to succeed roughly 60% of your dual wield checks on the offhand weapon to match ratios. And you'd be surprised how many you miss even at mid-levels.

If you ONLY have twin Knuckle Dusters and a WQS, I'd say the KD's become better at maybe 40ish, just as a wild guess. If you have a Staff of Battle, IFS, or a T-Staff or RFS, they'll keep outperforming KD's.

[sideshow]

At lvl 20 I would definitely get Wu's Quivering Staff. The damage output increase is very noticable compared to trance stick/knuckle duster. At 40 I picked up imbued fighters staff. I have a love/hate relationship with it. When its hitting good you will drain HP fast, when it's not it feels slower than hell.

[Toxigen]

Often overlooked is the reduced damage taken when using a slower 2 hander (fewer mob ripostes).

Ultimately, all that matters is the number of mobs you're able to kill in a given time period.

[Troxx]

To piggy back off the recommendation for 2h, after the 2h dmg bonus changes a long while back, IFS and Peacebringer will outdamage pretty much all groupable 1handers paired with epic fists.

Food for thought but at 55-60 after the changes I parsed the white damage on both IFS and tranq staff higher than epic fists and scepter of mastery. It used to be that damage bonus favored the epic fists … but at 60 that is no longer the case. Ratios on IFS and PB are so close to TStaff that they’re practically right about the same dps (minus the proc which is negligible dps and more of a stun side perk)

I made posts about it EONs ago in this forum in the weeks following the 2h dmg bonus changes.

I really only break out the epic/SoM combo when accidentally tanking aggro would be lethal (raid assists). Even then, monks can aggro dump periodically so easy with FD it probably isn’t necessary.