Shaman spell cost

[loramin]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Treasure_Hunting_Guide

[Stonewallx39]

Originally Posted by Bobbymck69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do shaman afford to buy their level 55+ spells? Must i pimp myself out? Lol

Join DKP guild, sell skyshrine MQs. Kinda sleazy (at least it feels bad to those that need the item) but it is what it is…

[Stroboo]

Plenty of 60 sham do not have their 60 spells at first. takes time to make money, or luck. If you have reliable friends take them to Seb, tons of money to be made there, sure still take a while but way better then almost anything in KC (minus Tstaff lighting strike).

Most of the really high end droppable still come from Raid mobs/events...

but even making 2k a night, which is a lot for a 55sham it is gonna take decent amount of time to afford the high end spells, and your epic, which is expensive too. best not to think about it and grind on...takes forever to get from 55 to 60 anyway [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[greenspectre]

When I hit 60 I was still missing Pox, Malo, and of course Torpor. I got lucky with Bane on a Trakanon kill. Pox came eventually at Royals, Malo in VP, and I had to buy Torpor. Highly recommend Seb Crypt for that. Even doing groups, not solo, I still pulled in a few 8-12k drops that helped me save up.

[Vivitron]

It makes sense that you use pox -- the dpm advantage looks significant. All I'm saying is that if it did the damage faster it would be better. You could pace yourself with an 18 tic timer or by your mana and get the same outcome, but would have the option of doing more damage if the situation called for it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vivitron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It makes sense that you use pox -- the dpm advantage looks significant. All I'm saying is that if it did the damage faster it would be better. You could pace yourself with an 18 tic timer or by your mana and get the same outcome, but would have the option of doing more damage if the situation called for it.

The problem is damage spikes. If you drain your mana too fast you may not be able to canni it back if a hard hitting monster gets some lucky double attacks. Your encounter ends if you are at 5% mana and 50% health generally, even if the mob is slowed. This is because you need to spend a good chunk of that health to pump your mana for Torpor, and the mob could get lucky on an attack between then and when Torpor starts healing you.

From experience I have found that going the faster but riskier route ends up just wasting more time. Every time you have to gate out you have lost any time advantage Bane gave you, and probably more.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Let me give you a more practical example using WW Dragons. On average it takes me 20 minutes to pull and kill one. I only have an hour to play. Lets say I increase my DPS to shave 3 minutes off of each kill.

Do you know how many WW Dragons I could kill in an hour at 17 minutes each? 3 lol. This is again something you don't really understand. Just increasing DPS doesn't guarantee that you pass the threshold for gaining additional kills per hour. It depends on a lot of factors.

When you aren't gaining any additional kills per hour, why increase your risk of death for the sake of DPS? It isn't gaining you anything other than increasing the chance of decreasing how many kills you get per hour.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

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Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's definitely better to be using Bane of Knife along with the Disease DoT in this fight, as killing the target faster creates more efficiency. Look at how you even waste mana on recasting Malo because of how slow you are to kill. Not to mention, killing faster is simply better anyway, more time to move onto the next thing.

Telling people to avoid getting Bane of Knife until last resort is awful advice. That spell helps a ton when trying to level/farm or for general grouping to generate DPS, where most of the time a Disease DoT is not going to be lasting anywhere close to full duration on a pull.

Did a video using your "expert" strategy of using Bane and Pox in a WW Dragon fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD-PCJ4tCII

It saved... no time at all! Compare the video above to this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEgFcImQ9XU . The reason for this is simple, there are other things in Everquest besides DPS. There is a thing called mana, and you need mana to cast DPS spells. Realistically speaking you cannot keep both DoTs up while also maintaining safe levels of HP/Mana.

So you are just factually wrong here about assuming you could increase my DPS. I wonder what else you have been wrong about?[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a Torpor Shaman I am running out of mana casting these DoTs, but for some reason you think a level 55 Shaman without Torpor is just going to spam Bane of Nife on easy mobs being killed in a group lol. I am not sure how you are playing this game, but I don't think you are doing it right.

Pox is factually superior to Bane in most situations, which is why you should prioritize it over Bane. The other expensive spells like Malo and Torpor are also superior to Bane, which is why Bane basically ends up at the end of the list. You certainly should buy Bane, it just isn't a high priority compared to your other spells.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Did a video using your "expert" strategy of using Bane and Pox in a WW Dragon fight:

If Z's regularly doing even the easier WW dragons, solo, within the span of a single malo cast (what is that, 12 or 13 minutes?) I want to see because I don't know of any solo'ers who can regularly kill them so quickly. As a duo the wife and I can usually kill them within a slow duration, but adding a second person usually more than doubles killspeed on those since much of the first person's damage dealt is going to countering their regeneration.

As for Pox vs. Bane, mostly I'd advise someone looking to buy 'em to buy whichever one he happens to find for sale first since it can be spotty at times finding a seller. While they're distinct spells, I consider their overall impact pretty close to each other and I think of them mostly as a pair.

Danth

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Z's regularly doing even the easier WW dragons, solo, within the span of a single malo cast (what is that, 12 or 13 minutes?) I want to see because I don't know of any solo'ers who can regularly kill them so quickly. As a duo the wife and I can usually kill them within a slow duration, but adding a second person usually more than doubles killspeed on those since much of the first person's damage dealt is going to countering their regeneration.

As for Pox vs. Bane, mostly I'd advise someone looking to buy 'em to buy whichever one he happens to find for sale first since it can be spotty at times finding a seller. While they're distinct spells, I consider their overall impact pretty close to each other and I think of them mostly as a pair.

Danth

Yeah I would love to see a video of Z being an amazing Torpor Shaman and showing us how it's done. Somehow I don't think we will get this video sadly.