Which is the highest DPS that each class(W/N/M/E) can reach?

[Troxx]

So embarrassing to chain so many posts in a row but if rains were not broken, pets did not count as a mob in the wave and there were no innate/default 25% resist issues. I would totally go evocation.

Manastorm with 625x3 and evocation spec is 5.45 dmg per mana. Unless your group is killing faster than a Mob a minute you could cast once per fight. It takes 1.16 mins to med back the mana of a nuke that does 2025 damage … which coincidentally is actually better damage per mana than a wizard bane nuke on giants and dragons.

Iirc they didn’t fix rain nukes until PoP or maybe Luclin though so we’ll never see it here.

[Balimon]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With all due respect that’s kinda like asking what a warrior’s max dps is on p99 and then a 60 raid warrior with Gauldrek saying “maybe over 400 dps” is the highest because every attack could be a triple attack, always hit, and always hit for max damage.

It’s super unfortunate that rain spells on p99 are so broken. They have a built in 25% flat out chance of resistance and having a pet in range will take away additional possible hits.

I would not consider rains part of the mage dps equation.

Rain spells are fixed now, pets do not take away hits. Even if one wave resists the nuke is still as efficient as any other mage nuke, I think you should do some testing on rain spells before you make up your mind. And yes obviously a warrior with disc would put out huge dps. Is the OP asking for the highest possible? Or the highest possible sustained? Different questions.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Balimon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rain spells are fixed now, pets do not take away hits.

Is this true? If so you might have made my day lol! Is it now just the 25% innate resist rate?

If you are right I will be a happy panda. I hadn’t seen any updates. This means manastorm would be 4.08 dmg per mana evocation spec factoring in a 25% resist. (Less with a tash or cheap malo)

My mind is always open to being changed!

Like no joke if you are correct I may respec now until such time that I decide to raid again. I went AFK for 2 years starting in early 2020 with pandemic because I’m a doc and had no time. If things changed in the interim that is stellar and changes how I will/would play my mage.

[Balimon]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is this true? If so you might have made my day lol! Is it now just the 25% innate resist rate?

If you are right I will be a happy panda. I hadn’t seen any updates. This means manastorm would be 4.08 dmg per mana evocation spec factoring in a 25% resist. (Less with a tash or cheap malo)

My mind is always open to being changed!

Like no joke if you are correct I may respec now until such time that I decide to raid again. I went AFK for 2 years starting in early 2020 with pandemic because I’m a doc and had no time. If things changed in the interim that is stellar and changes how I will/would play my mage.

Awesome man, yeah go try it out! I like your post about sustained DPS, very accurate and close to how I play.

[Troxx]

I think I love you. I’d kiss you but I don’t want a sexual harassment lawsuit!

Sirroco it is moving forward as primary dps and sigils for burn with 59 nuke loaded just because. I think I could swing 110-130 dps now instead of 100-120! Even more impressive burns. Manastorm is a bit better dmg per mana but with the mana drain may be more aggro for marginal efficiency and I skipped getting it because rains were trash.

Now I gotta go to temple of rob to respec (at least until I raid again)

[Foxplay]

Doesn't really have anything to do with max dps, but in terms of consistent dps a Wizard with a Rend robe and Epic feels really nice. Unfourtinately once you get to this point you are pretty much done ever needing sustained or group dps anyway since you are probably just logging the wizard on for a raid pop anyway...

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Foxplay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doesn't really have anything to do with max dps, but in terms of consistent dps a Wizard with a Rend robe and Epic feels really nice. Unfourtinately once you get to this point you are pretty much done ever needing sustained or group dps anyway since you are probably just logging the wizard on for a raid pop anyway...

56dps sustained without any mana use is respectable. 14 sec click time vs 17 on mage boots (which are less dps chain cast to start with). Is also nice. With this robe and the right tempo and group setup wizards do work well. Better than most scrub dps classes you will invite to a 51-60 group for sure knowing the wizard can also burn.

I wish such an item could be found outside of VP as easily as a mage could get their pets 51-60. It would make wizards viable.

By the time the wizard has it, however, they have no need for groups ☹️

What I have noticed in mediocre “high end groups” is that most “dps” hover between 45 and 70 dps at best, raid geared twinks notwithstanding.

A wizard with such a robe would outperform most xp group mouth breathers by a mile.

[Foxplay]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By the time the wizard has it, however, they have no need for groups ☹️

This is pretty much the wizard class in general though provided you are ok with being lonely and quad kiting. AFK gameplay (quad kite burn mana bar repeat) solo is typically better or almost as good as even optimal groups in terms of exp gains for leveling.

And yea unless your some kind of amazing raid twink you would almost never normally have a Rend robe 50-59 and when you have it grouping becomes even less optimal for you because you can literally kill almost anything that doesnt summon with just Root and robe click

[Balimon]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think I love you. I’d kiss you but I don’t want a sexual harassment lawsuit!

Sirroco it is moving forward as primary dps and sigils for burn with 59 nuke loaded just because. I think I could swing 110-130 dps now instead of 100-120! Even more impressive burns. Manastorm is a bit better dmg per mana but with the mana drain may be more aggro for marginal efficiency and I skipped getting it because rains were trash.

Now I gotta go to temple of rob to respec (at least until I raid again)

I love it! I prefer Sirocco because the fire seems to land better, especially in Velious. But yeah Manastorm is technically better for sure. I'm curious what your parses would be with evocation spec. I took conjuration from the get go on Green and never changed it, knowing that I could use conj. nukes and it would effect pets/rods/coth etc.

[LordVictor]

Since there are a lot of MAG players in this thread, how is the late game MAG gameplay in p99?

I mean, in a progression server, as an necromancer, what I really hate is that at low levels, I can just order my pet to attack an mob at higher level than me and kill that mob without even casting DoTs. At lv 55+, your pets are almost worthless, only serves as an temporary distraction. Charmed undead in other hands, are amazing.

In p99, I played as a MAG till teen levels but ended deleting my char. And now am lv 30 necromancer in a p99 pause.

My fear is that by not having CC, charm ability and having mostly only fire spells, I would't be able to kill anything above greens in p99 as an MAG.