Jade Chokidai Prod Line - How does it work??

[BlakeR22z]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you both chose a totally irrelevant rule from the camp rules list where I quoted the most significant one with regards to your problem list that basically explains everything logically.

I guess if you want the line to start stretching to infinity, by all means have your level 55+ alts come in 5 minutes prior to the spawn and kill it for your level 24 monk that is camping it while you 2box your main character. Were you joking or what was going on in your heads there?

The mind diarrhea exhibited by Blake and Teluvian is one of the many reasons the camp needs to be reverted to normal rules asap. Because self-entitled individuals like this will come along and attempt to subvert and bend the rules at every opportunity to the detriment of legitimate campers.

Seriously if you can't kill a level 40 mob what business do you think you have in Howling Stones? And if you can't kill the mob why do you deserve the item to sell? I eagerly await your next fallacious leap of faith required to dispel the cognitive dissonance you must now be swimming in.

I couldn't agree with you more about just having the camp like everything else in the game. At least it would make people like you stop creating their own rules for the camp.

By all means, please petition that you think someone was 2-boxing earlier. It will only make you look like more of a tool.

And by the way, all of these "low levels" you are claiming are "level 24 alts" are 50+.

[Teluvian]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you both chose a totally irrelevant rule from the camp rules list where I quoted the most significant one with regards to your problem list that basically explains everything logically.

You quoted a list of camp rules, choosing one to illustrate your point as to why people "cannot" receive help from another player who was not waiting in line. In your post, you tried to show us how receiving help from another player violates a rule in the list of camp rules. Fair enough.

When we found a rule that is completely contradictory to actions that many people choose to do at the camp (AFK camping), you claim that the rule is "irrelevant". How interesting.

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess if you want the line to start stretching to infinity, by all means have your level 55+ alts come in 5 minutes prior to the spawn and kill it for your level 24 monk that is camping it while you 2box your main character. Were you joking or what was going on in your heads there?

When did two boxing even become a discussion here? Who is "stretching" now?

You talk about a level 24 monk camping the Chancellor. Let's look at it from the other side of things. What if a level 60 monk was camping the Chancellor and a friend of that monk decides to come and join in on the action? No one will challenge the fact that a level 60 monk could handle the fight. Someone waited in line, someone got a prod. It should make no difference to you in the end how that prod was obtained.

Quit looking for rules to apply selectively that fit your needs.

[Lazortag]

Howling stones sure is sweet though. Sometimes I just afk in the zone and think of how happy I am that I didn't have to deal with all of this drama to get my key. Then again, even if I had to deal with this drama, it still would have been worth it. I think I might start camping the prod and buying all the existing prods on the market so that no one else can enjoy the zone.

[BlakeR22z]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Howling stones sure is sweet though. Sometimes I just afk in the zone and think of how happy I am that I didn't have to deal with all of this drama to get my key. Then again, even if I had to deal with this drama, it still would have been worth it. I think I might start camping the prod and buying all the existing prods on the market so that no one else can enjoy the zone.

You would have to get in line behind all the regulars.

[Teluvian]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Howling stones sure is sweet though. Sometimes I just afk in the zone and think of how happy I am that I didn't have to deal with all of this drama to get my key. Then again, even if I had to deal with this drama, it still would have been worth it. I think I might start camping the prod and buying all the existing prods on the market so that no one else can enjoy the zone.

Well played, sir. Well played.

[Slave]

You are both far, far beneath me both in general reasoning ability and server knowledge, so I will make one last post answering all your illogical and ill-concieved notions, and ask you one final question.

Originally Posted by Teluvian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You quoted a list of camp rules, choosing one to illustrate your point as to why people "cannot" receive help from another player who was not waiting in line. In your post, you tried to show us how receiving help from another player violates a rule in the list of camp rules. Fair enough.

When we found a rule that is completely contradictory to actions that many people choose to do at the camp (AFK camping), you claim that the rule is "irrelevant". How interesting.

AFK camping is defined as gaining experience while AFK. Regardless, I also stated in my first post how some groups chose to enforce the rule of having to be at the keyboard for your 4-hour shift. It makes no difference to me. Have it any way you want. I assure you I am fully able to endure 4 hours at the keyboard... or 20.

Originally Posted by Teluvian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When did two boxing even become a discussion here? Who is "stretching" now?

Two-boxing, high level guy coming in and killing it for you, it doesn't make a difference (except that the first will get you banned). The functional point here is that you were not able to kill the mob in the first place and so were never considered to be holding a camp slot.

Originally Posted by Teluvian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You talk about a level 24 monk camping the Chancellor. Let's look at it from the other side of things. What if a level 60 monk was camping the Chancellor and a friend of that monk decides to come and join in on the action? No one will challenge the fact that a level 60 monk could handle the fight.

Thank you for making my point for me.

Originally Posted by Teluvian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It should make no difference to you in the end how that prod was obtained.

Isn't this actually what the debate is about? I see now. You want to be able to come in with your character, who HAS NOT EARNED THE RIGHT to camp the chancellor, (because for whatever reason, you are not powerful enough to kill it) and sit there with the big boys who have all put in many more hours on levels and items than you. Well, guess what? This is a role playing game. Time spent on characters matters. Go figure!

Now I will ask you my question: What business do you have in Howling Stones if you can't kill a level 40 mob? You are attempting to take advantage of the GMs special rule on this camp for your own ends.

I believe you are actually afraid of actually experiencing up to a sufficient level to kill it like everyone else that has paid their dues. If you can't kill it, simply have your friend camp it with you and hold a camp slot together. This is the same rule that every camp in the game has. The fact that you think you should be exempt from following it just in this one case reveals nothing but terrible things about your personal character.

[BlakeR22z]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are both far, far beneath me both in general reasoning ability and server knowledge, so I will make one last post answering all your illogical and ill-concieved notions, and ask you one final question.

Do you read what you typed? Can you even understand how unbelievably douchey you sound?

[Surfbum]

Slave, I hope one day you re-read your posts and notice how completely stupid you come across with your 'general reasoning ability and server knowledge.' I award you no points, and my god have mercy on your soul..

[Slave]

For those keeping score on the actual issue, that is

Slave: 7
Lowbie Prod Farmers: 0 (although the Billy Madison reference is hilarious!)

[Teluvian]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AFK camping is defined as gaining experience while AFK. Regardless, I also stated in my first post how some groups chose to enforce the rule of having to be at the keyboard for your 4-hour shift. It makes no difference to me. Have it any way you want.

Gaining experience while AFK will result in a BAN. That is not frowned upon, that is forbidden. AFK Camping in the "Camps, Defined" thread deals with claiming that you are still holding a camp while AFK.

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I assure you I am fully able to endure 4 hours at the keyboard... or 20.

Congratulations!!! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Two-boxing, high level guy coming in and killing it for you, it doesn't make a difference (except that the first will get you banned). The functional point here is that you were not able to kill the mob in the first place and so were never considered to be holding a camp slot.

Thank you for making my point for me.

Isn't this actually what the debate is about? I see now. You want to be able to come in with your character, who HAS NOT EARNED THE RIGHT to camp the chancellor, (because for whatever reason, you are not powerful enough to kill it) and sit there with the big boys who have all put in many more hours on levels and items than you. Well, guess what? This is a role playing game. Time spent on characters matters. Go figure!

Now I will ask you my question: What business do you have in Howling Stones if you can't kill a level 40 mob? You are attempting to take advantage of the GMs special rule on this camp for your own ends.

I believe you are actually afraid of actually experiencing up to a sufficient level to kill it like everyone else that has paid their dues. If you can't kill it, simply have your friend camp it with you and hold a camp slot together. This is the same rule that every camp in the game has. The fact that you think you should be exempt from following it just in this one case reveals nothing but terrible things about your personal character.

Did you know something about these cool MMORPG games that we play? Different classes function differently. Some classes are better at soloing than others, even at the same level. I know it is hard to understand, but try.

You act like we are discussing level 20 characters camping the Chancellor, when in fact, we are talking about level 50+ characters. Again, I know it is hard to understand, but some classes have trouble soloing, even at high levels. No one claimed that they are getting the Prod to go solo Howling Stones.

Also, it interests me how you have completely sidetracked from the original discussion on rules and resorted to a (quite funny, I might add) personal attack on the contributors of this thread once you noticed that you were completely contradicting yourself.