Has anyone documented the maximum damage caps per class? - Page 2

DeathsSilkyMist · #1 02-13-2023, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Vivitron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's no attack in the formula you suggested above, though. On my bard I seem to get 97 max prime hand with a 16 damage weapon, and 92 prime hand with a 15 damage, regardless of avatar status.

Looking through my logs it looks like rogues are probably hitting 96 with a 15 damage prime hand.

I am not 100% sure what you mean here when you are talking about "There's no attack in the formula you suggested above".

But thank you for supplying some numbers people can check to see if their bards/rogues are hitting higher than that. The damage cap is certainly on a per class basis, so I would assume melee classes have a higher cap. My Shadowknight can hit for 132 with a 25 damage weapon, so Shadowknights definitely have a higher cap than 4.2 damage per 1 weapon damage. It is at least 5.3 damage per 1 weapon damage, but I am sure it is higher than that. I need to get Avatar on him sometime to see what his damage is then with 255 STR and +100 attack.

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Yea attack doesn’t increase your hit values, it just weights the dice. Attack doesn’t make you hit for more than you could before, it just makes you more likely to hit for your higher values.

Yeah, attack from something like Avatar or AoB items doesn't increase chance to hit. The only thing that increases your chance to hit are weapon skills. It's just confusing because both of those values get rolled into attack stat on your character sheet.

Attack does increase your max damage values. When you say "weight the dice", what you are referring to is the combination of your damage range and the maximum damage cap.

If your damage range is 1-100 and your maximum damage cap is 84, you have more of a chance of getting an 84, because the cap occurs as the LAST step. This means you can still roll a 100, it just becomes an 84. So you have a 16% chance to roll an 84 , instead of a 1% chance to roll a 100 if your maximum damage cap was 100.

Vivitron · #2 02-13-2023, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not 100% sure what you mean here when you are talking about "There's no attack in the formula you suggested above".

The post I quoted suggested you expected a higher max hit from avatar's +atk, but your first post and the wiki quote a suggested max damage formula that is only a function of str, offense, weapon damage, and damage bonus -- not +atk.

So, +atk not upping your max damage may be due to attack not factoring in to max damage rather than further evidence of a damage cap.

Vivitron · #3 02-13-2023, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, attack from something like Avatar or AoB items doesn't increase chance to hit. The only thing that increases your chance to hit are weapon skills. It's just confusing because both of those values get rolled into attack stat on your character sheet.

Attack does increase your max damage values. When you say "weight the dice", what you are referring to is the combination of your damage range and the maximum damage cap.

If your damage range is 1-100 and your maximum damage cap is 84, you have more of a chance of getting an 84, because the cap occurs as the LAST step. This means you can still roll a 100, it just becomes an 84. So you have a 16% chance to roll an 84 , instead of a 1% chance to roll a 100 if your maximum damage cap was 100.

Here you seem to be saying attack doesn't matter, so perhaps it's just a miscommunication. I was responding to your statement that "The problem is Avatar gives you +100 attack"

ya.dingus · #4 02-12-2023, 01:24 AM

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I noticed something interesting today. It seems that in addition to the weapon damage caps that unlock as you level up, there is also just a maximum damage cap that you cannot go above (similar to pets).

With a 20 damage weapon, my damage is always capped at 84, with 255 STR, Avatar, and 200 offense.

With a 18 damage weapon, my damage is always capped at 76, with 255 STR, Avatar, and 200 offense.

With a 15 damage weapon, my damage is always capped at 63, with 255 STR, Avatar, and 200 offense.

When my strength is 200 and my offense is 200 (no Avatar), I do 80 damage with a 20 damage weapon. This matches the formula Weapon Damage * (([Offense Skill] + [STR]) / 100), and Shamans don't get any damage bonuses.

If there wasn't a damage cap, I should be doing at least 90 damage with 255 STR, and more with Avatar.

This means the maximum damage cap for 60 Shamans is 4.2 Damage per 1 Weapon Damage.

I couldn't find this on the wiki, so I was curious if this was documented somewhere, or if nobody has realized this yet. This is definitely different per class, so it would be interesting to know what the caps are for each class.

I'd regret rolling Ogre too. Looks like yet another reason why over-stating in vanilla is a poor choice late game.

Roll Barb or Troll or Iksar and never look back.

DeathsSilkyMist · #5 02-12-2023, 01:52 AM

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I'd regret rolling Ogre too. Looks like yet another reason why over-stating in vanilla is a poor choice late game.

Roll Barb or Troll or Iksar and never look back.

You seem to be the only one with race regrets here. I have no problem having the min/max race for Shaman. I think Ogres look great too. Same with Trolls.

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ya.dingus · #6 02-12-2023, 07:20 PM

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You seem to be the only one with race regrets here. I have no problem having the min/max race for Shaman. I think Ogres look great too. Same with Trolls.

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You dont have the mix/max shaman though. You're stuck in boomer logic land and absolutely refuse to acknowledge that you're wrong. Delusional boomer.

Your own posts show that overstating is a massive waste of investment points, frontal stun helps in less than 5% of the situations where stun immunity could save your life, and you look stupid and lose fashionquest to boot.

You're stuck in 1999 mode because you just don't want things to change despite having the truth in front of you.

Keep making these threads that invalidate your race choice by all means, I enjoy them.

Boomers, hah.

DeathsSilkyMist · #7 02-12-2023, 07:39 PM

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You dont have the mix/max shaman though. You're stuck in boomer logic land and absolutely refuse to acknowledge that you're wrong. Delusional boomer.

Your own posts show that overstating is a massive waste of investment points, frontal stun helps in less than 5% of the situations where stun immunity could save your life, and you look stupid and lose fashionquest to boot.

You're stuck in 1999 mode because you just don't want things to change despite having the truth in front of you.

Keep making these threads that invalidate your race choice by all means, I enjoy them.

Boomers, hah.

Everything you said is nonsense. Why waste time typing it?