New Angry Goblin Agreement

[Toxigen]

the road to bis is paved in stale body odor and loneliness

[7thGate]

Realistically, the agreement should be that everyone meets up at the start of the window and rolls. Whoever wins the roll gets to turn in to the goblin. If they fail to turn in to the goblin within 5 minutes of him spawning or lose to Skargus, he goes FFA. Whoever kills Skargus needs to announce the TOD in shout so people can afk pick up the next roll time or be in violation of the player agreement and lose their skargus head.

Most people would just do the roll and log off, the only person that has to sock the roll is the winner. Some people would stay to try and snipe in case the winner can't kill it for some reason, guaranteeing it doesn't just stay up. Everyone can stop wasting huge amounts of time for no reason at this camp.

I really doubt we'll get this or something like this though, its too hard to get people to agree to change anything.

[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Realistically, the agreement should be that everyone meets up at the start of the window and rolls. Whoever wins the roll gets to kill the goblin. If they fail to kill the goblin within 5 minutes of him spawning, he goes FFA. Whoever kills the goblin needs to announce the TOD in shout so people can afk pick up the next roll time or be in violation of the player agreement and lose their skargus head.

Most people would just do the roll and log off, the only person that has to sock the roll is the winner. Some people would stay to try and snipe in case the winner can't kill it for some reason, guaranteeing it doesn't just stay up. Everyone can stop wasting huge amounts of time for no reason at this camp.

I really doubt we'll get this or something like this though, its too hard to get people to agree to change anything.

nah too many rules - turn it into a static spawn time. what is the POINT of a variable window on a 3 day quest mob?

[winter888]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Realistically, the agreement should be that everyone meets up at the start of the window and rolls. Whoever wins the roll gets to turn in to the goblin. If they fail to turn in to the goblin within 5 minutes of him spawning or lose to Skargus, he goes FFA. Whoever kills Skargus needs to announce the TOD in shout so people can afk pick up the next roll time or be in violation of the player agreement and lose their skargus head.

Most people would just do the roll and log off, the only person that has to sock the roll is the winner. Some people would stay to try and snipe in case the winner can't kill it for some reason, guaranteeing it doesn't just stay up. Everyone can stop wasting huge amounts of time for no reason at this camp.

I really doubt we'll get this or something like this though, its too hard to get people to agree to change anything.

This solution seems the right way to go. Make an player agreement based on this please. The 5 minutes seems too short tho. Could be 30mins just like Ragefire turn in.

[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by winter888 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This solution seems the right way to go. Make an player agreement based on this please. The 5 minutes seems too short tho. Could be 30mins just like Ragefire turn in.

Yeah agreed, only one person has to sacrifice their souls for the length of that window. I would actually show up to roll for that no doubt. And if you want to really shock the hardcore nerds, just remove the 8 hour variance window (does anyone ever feel good about variance windows, for non raid FTE'ers, on non raid targets where you don't engage on pop??)....

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

does anyone ever feel good about variance windows, for non raid FTE'ers, on non raid targets where you don't engage on pop??

I feel good about a Luclin-era reward on a Velious-locked server being unusually and classically difficult to attain, yes.

[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel good about a Luclin-era reward on a Velious-locked server being unusually and classically difficult to attain, yes.

Difficult to obtain, and random to obtain, are two different things though.

[7thGate]

Players can't change the spawn time. They can make agreements like this one. If everyone agreed to that, noone needs to camp this window anymore.

The reason why we have a hell camp is because you need something complicated to handle the cases where someone just doesn't kill Skargus for whatever reason and you have to figure out what the roll time is supposed to be. People don't want something complicated, so we got something simple and stupid.

[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Players can't change the spawn time. They can make agreements like this one. If everyone agreed to that, noone needs to camp this window anymore.

The reason why we have a hell camp is because you need something complicated to handle the cases where someone just doesn't kill Skargus for whatever reason and you have to figure out what the roll time is supposed to be. People don't want something complicated, so we got something simple and stupid.

the spawn time can be changed. devs screw with spawns. look at quillmane. no reason it cant be done to angry goblin to avoid people wasting 6 hrs for zero reason or benefit to any person on the server.

[7thGate]

Yes, the devs can. But they don't care, because they're trying to replicate the classic implementation, which had variance. They're actually more likely to make it worse than remove it, as there's a bug report here asking for 14 hour variance: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=322950

You can address this with a player agreement, but trying to convince the devs to do this to stop wasting people's time is not a very likely direction for actually accomplishing something.