Moss covered Twig

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mosscovered twig is supposed to be offhand only, what is this talk?

I believe Mosscovered Twig was primary handed for a short period of time, before it gets removed from the drop table and nerfed to secondary only. Could be wrong though, never used one myself.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe Mosscovered Twig was primary handed for a short period of time

Yes but the servers are long past that era now. Why is it being discussed like it's an actual option.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes but the servers are long past that era now. Why is it being discussed like it's an actual option.

I assumed this was a theorycrafting post. I don't think anyone is actually buying/trading mosscovered twigs these days, except perhaps collectors.

[Goregasmic]

Twig as a secondary weapon has a 0.3 ratio and is fucking terrible by any metric at this point, assumed OP asked about its original form.

But considering he's comparing it to velious weaps, yeah, makes no sense.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Twig as a secondary weapon has a 0.3 ratio and is fucking terrible by any metric at this point, assumed OP asked about its original form.

But considering he's comparing it to velious weaps, yeah, makes no sense.

It has an even worse ratio because offhand swings are triggered by primary hand swings. This means you get no benefit from having an offhand weapon that is faster than your primary weapon.

At best Twig is a 3/15 weapon in your offhand if you have Mosscovered Branch in your main hand, which is the fastest primary hand weapon at 15 delay. So it's a 0.2 ratio weapon or worse.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

offhand swings are triggered by primary hand swings. This means you get no benefit from having an offhand weapon that is faster than your primary weapon.

No, they are independent of each other. How are you making a DPS calculator and saying this shit.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, they are independent of each other. How are you making a DPS calculator and saying this shit.

You misunderstood what I said. The Main Hand timer and the Off Hand timer are independent, but the only way an Off Hand Swing can be triggered is via a Main Hand Swing.

For example, Let's say you have a 20 Delay weapon in your Main Hand, and a 10 Delay weapon in your Off Hand:

0 Seconds - Main hand Swing Timer Started (Main hand weapon Swing)
0 Seconds - Off Hand Swing Timer Started (Dual Wield triggered, Off Hand weapon Swing)
1 Seconds - Off Hand Swing Timer Finished
2 Seconds - Main hand Swing Timer Finished
2 Seconds - Main hand Swing Timer Started (Main hand weapon Swing)
2 Seconds - Off Hand Swing Timer Started (Dual Wield triggered, Off Hand weapon Swing)
2 Seconds - Off Hand Swing Double Attack
2 Seconds - Off Hand Swing Triple Attack
etc.

The Off Hand timer finishes before the Main Hand timer, because the Off Hand weapon delay is faster. However, Off Hand Swings require a Main Hand Swing first to check whether dual wield triggers or not. This means there is no normal way to get a second Off Hand Swing between 1 second and 2 seconds, even though the Off Hand timer is ready. The exception to this would be if you get a dual wield trigger from a riposte between 1 and 2 seconds, as ripostes can happen asynchronously to your Main Hand Swings. You can also double/triple attack with an Off Hand Swing, but that wouldn't happen between 1 second and 2 seconds. It would happen at the same time as the Off Hand Swing.

You can test this yourself in P99 by doing Fistweaving on a Monk with a 2h weapon that has a higher delay than your fists. Or use a weapon like Wurmslayer in your Main Hand, and a really fast weapon in your Off Hand. You usually won't get more dual wield attempts than your dual wield percentage chance, unless perhaps you get very lucky with both dual wield triggers and Off Hand double/triple attacks. This is because every time you Swing your Main Hand, you have an X% chance to trigger dual wield, where that percent chance is based on your dual wield skill.

If you could get multiple Off Hand Swings (that are not double/triple attacks) in between Main Hand Swings by using a faster Off Hand weapon, you would see a higher volume of dual wield triggers than your dual wield percentage chance.

[Goregasmic]

I thought for DW, off hand was 100% independent but it had to pass a DW check meaning it fired less often. The DW wiki page says you can get more OH hits than MH hits if OH is faster than MH.

You're not going to get more OH swings than your DW percentage because that's what lets you swIng OH...

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought for DW, off hand was 100% independent but it had to pass a DW check meaning it fired less often. The DW wiki page says you can get more OH hits than MH hits if OH is faster than MH.

You're not going to get more OH swings than your DW percentage because that's what lets you swIng OH...

I'll double check the game and the EQEMU code again.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Main Hand timer and the Off Hand timer are independent, but the only way an Off Hand Swing can be triggered is via a Main Hand Swing.

Wrong. Unless something is messed up in the p99 code right now. Otherwise you would never be able to hold a non-weapon in your primary hand and perma auto-attack with the offhand, which is supposed to be possible. Or be able to manually press to swing the offhand weapon only when you want (without auto-attack on), which is supposed to be possible.