Do you believe in fatalism or free will?

[kjs86z2]

things happen for a reason but if you dont put yourself in the position for success / happiness / whatever in the first place you're just capping yourself at the knees

[shovelquest]

What if I told you I can believe in fatalism fully a 100% and still go out running in the morning and working out at home.

I might argue that you think you believe in it, but deep down you believe in something bigger.

Like maybe, what simulates the simulation? Perhaps?

Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In most things, I think the old saying holds true: luck is when preparation meets opportunity

Hmm, too bad I was unlucky enough to have only heard this 30 years too late? 🤣

[SorenVC]

An enemy in Everquest only dies when you press Q on your keyboard while standing in front of it. So you are fated to go near it and press Q. That's all fatalism is and I believe in it. These free will guys think too complicated. You will never figure out what free will is because it doesn't really exist.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by SorenVC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An enemy in Everquest only dies when you press Q on your keyboard while standing in front of it. So you are fated to go near it and press Q. That's all fatalism is and I believe in it. These free will guys think too complicated. You will never figure out what free will is because it doesn't really exist.

Q-anon was right.

[SorenVC]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Q-anon was right.

Who is Q-anon? What do you mean? That's an abbreviation?

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

I was just using it as an analogy. I’ll adjust based on your goals. I’m assuming you want to look like this person in some time frame. So the failure event would be that not happening. You take a picture of yourself, let’s say a year later, hold it next to the anime guy or whoever it is, and you look rather worse (although it could be a tough comparison since that is an artist’s rendering and not an actual human). So rather than learn, what do I need to do to improve my physical aesthetics? What new exercises do I need to research, how can I improve my diet and training? Instead you go, welp! Wasn’t in the cards! And give up?

Letting go of your agency in life is a recipe for misery. You will go through with no locus of control, and substitute pride for confidence. You will have no confidence because you believe you control nothing. Everything just happens TO you. When really things happen FOR you, in life

So you will not grow, you will have no confidence, and you will have to incorporate an ever-growing multitude of problems into the “things I’m trying to not care about” mental existentialism tricks

You do you, but it’s not for me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[SorenVC]

Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was just using it as an analogy. I’ll adjust based on your goals. I’m assuming you want to look like this person in some time frame. So the failure event would be that not happening. You take a picture of yourself, let’s say a year later, hold it next to the anime guy or whoever it is, and you look rather worse (although it could be a tough comparison since that is an artist’s rendering and not an actual human). So rather than learn, what do I need to do to improve my physical aesthetics? What new exercises do I need to research, how can I improve my diet and training? Instead you go, welp! Wasn’t in the cards! And give up?

Letting go of your agency in life is a recipe for misery. You will go through with no locus of control, and substitute pride for confidence. You will have no confidence because you believe you control nothing. Everything just happens TO you. When really things happen FOR you, in life

So you will not grow, you will have no confidence, and you will have to incorporate an ever-growing multitude of problems into the “things I’m trying to not care about” mental existentialism tricks

You do you, but it’s not for me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just described an LGBTQ person, not a fatalist. A fatalist will shrug off anything and be content with what he has. He will try to improve his position and be good towards all people, even criminals, as Jesus would. But in the end hopefully we will all be judged so that everyone realizes the mistake in his choices. Although if our choice was fated there might be no judgement. I do not know how life works okay. I'm just betting all cards on fatalism because I have no choice. Fatalism truly makes me happy. If I choose Iksar it is because they are the loneliest race and only socialize within their own circles. They are LIKE me. That's why I like the lizard people.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Originally Posted by SorenVC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just described an LGBTQ person, not a fatalist. A fatalist will shrug off anything and be content with what he has. He will try to improve his position and be good towards all people, even criminals, as Jesus would. But in the end hopefully we will all be judged so that everyone realizes the mistake in his choices. Although if our choice was fated there might be no judgement. I do not know how life works okay. I'm just betting all cards on fatalism because I have no choice. Fatalism truly makes me happy. If I choose Iksar it is because they are the loneliest race and only socialize within their own circles. They are LIKE me. That's why I like the lizard people.

Lol LGBT? You’re going to have to explain that, not following

You will try to “improve your position” by what? Begging? You already said that you control nothing. So do you just beg for your income? Beg someone to give you a job. Then when they ask your skillset and it’s not enough, rather than improve that skillset you go find someone else to beg and maybe they’ll say yes this time?

You will not improve without growth, and you will not grow without acknowledging your failures and what YOU did (or did not do) to cause them

[SorenVC]

Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol LGBT? You’re going to have to explain that, not following

You will try to “improve your position” by what? Begging? You already said that you control nothing. So do you just beg for your income? Beg someone to give you a job. Then when they ask your skillset and it’s not enough, rather than improve that skillset you go find someone else to beg and maybe they’ll say yes this time?

You will not improve without growth, and you will not grow without acknowledging your failures and what YOU did (or did not do) to cause them

Your growth and your acknowledging failures was fated. You don't understand fatalism enough. It means everything is fated. And to me - it makes perfect sense. You can still become a powerful world leader believing in fatalism and you can be a nobody believing in fatalism. There is no free will. Free will is all about the ego - I am weak so I must train to become stronger. See how that works out for you? I have no money so I must become Andrew Tate and scam people or start many businesses. It is all pride and ego, this free will. Fatalism is accepting life for what it is - fate. It frees you from your selfish desires, from your selfish goals, from ambition. Those are evil and from Satan. Fatalism is accepting that you are perfect the way you are and that nothing need be changed.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Originally Posted by SorenVC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your growth and your acknowledging failures was fated. You don't understand fatalism enough. It means everything is fated. And to me - it makes perfect sense. You can still become a powerful world leader believing in fatalism and you can be a nobody believing in fatalism. There is no free will. Free will is all about the ego - I am weak so I must train to become stronger. See how that works out for you? I have no money so I must become Andrew Tate and scam people or start many businesses. It is all pride and ego, this free will. Fatalism is accepting life for what it is - fate. It frees you from your selfish desires, from your selfish goals, from ambition. Those are evil and from Satan. Fatalism is accepting that you are perfect the way you are and that nothing need be changed.

No need to be hyperbolic. Just because someone works out doesn’t mean they want to look like Arnold. Just because someone wants to work doesn’t mean they want to scam their way into becoming some Andrew Tate clone. The ratio of honorable workers out there in the world to dishonorable is probably about 100-1 or even higher

What you are doing is picking what you see as undesirable outcomes on some polarized edge of the spectrum of people as an excuse to not try. Comes across to me as lazy, not enlightened