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Old 07-09-2025, 01:37 PM
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The official definition of static is "lacking in movement, action, or change, especially in a way viewed as undesirable or uninteresting".

Why would a static caster group of 4 care to make a change to log on a cleric when they could simply have them in their own group as clerics are more desirable than shamans to enchanters in every way possible.

Not only are you trying to change the definition of static, but you are just making this group even more inefficient by trying to continuously bring in a shaman. If that thread had said ideal 4 man group + pocket char, then you may be onto something there. But unfortunately for your sake it didn't, and you only continue to look more pathetic the more you spread lies about it.

I can't wait to see this new wiki update reflecting the proper feelings of the community and the dated one moved into a Kunark archive somewhere.
Crede is claiming a guild with four members in it is not allowed to have guild bots. I disagree with this idea.

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Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.
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Old 07-09-2025, 02:01 PM
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You're pretending the original page was "official". As the creator of that page, I can assure you it was wasn't. If you read the original version of the page, it says as much:



I just started with Loraen's version in the hope of creating a starting point for others to improve. Sadly, the forum thread I referenced went nowhere, and then instead of the page being improved, we got a forum/wiki fight.

But again, the wiki is not for anyone to enforce their playstyle on anyone else. It's to benefit the community, and I still believe a solo artist challenge page can do that ... as long as people start being cooperative and constructive instead of fighting.
I never said that the original page was official Loramin. You can literally check the post history.


Yourself and OP brought up the page first before I did lol. OP seems to be going off of that page for his video. He can correct me if I am wrong. Zuranthium and Samoht edited the wiki to change OP's rank to be lower.
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Old 07-09-2025, 03:09 PM
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I agree on the pages, but not the tiers. I truly don't think there's anyone out there thinking "man I like soloing, and I really hope five strangers in the forum will judge my work and tell me whether it's a high tier or not?"

I think what normal soloers want is a way to describe their solo fairly. It sucks if someone says "I soloed X" when they did it with 50 potions, and you did it with zero potions.

But at the same time, I don't think anyone wants to count the number of potions used and do advanced calculus to get a soloing score either.

What I think people want from that page is a list of mobs, organized into universally recognized tiers of difficulty (if possible), and a set of options (eg. with puppet strings, with outside buffs, etc.) to qualify their solo. That way two soloers can solo the same mob, and have a common language to describe how they did it.

(And, of course, people can still try to solo things without "modifiers" for more impressive solos. I'm not trying to discourage that ... I just don't think the wiki should take the role of judging whether a solo was a solo, or how good of a solo it is, unless everyone can agree on the standards.)
Why are you refusing to even entertain the idea of multiple solo challenge pages? People write their own guides all the time. I have one in my signature. I did not go into the official ogre or shaman wiki pages and force my changes in there. I made my own page and promoted it.
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Old 06-23-2025, 03:03 PM
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Hmm. Doesn't appear to be a solo kill. Player had a shaman, cleric, and enchanter out of group buffing them.
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Old 06-23-2025, 05:46 PM
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Hmm. Doesn't appear to be a solo kill. Player had a shaman, cleric, and enchanter out of group buffing them.
It was a fully solo kill, I had just gotten buffed by a group from under NG. I also keep my own sham / cleric / chanter parked in tube room, and have a friend log them in to buff me when a king spawns, but they log right back out and I'm on my own after that.
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Old 06-23-2025, 06:14 PM
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It was a fully solo kill, I had just gotten buffed by a group from under NG. I also keep my own sham / cleric / chanter parked in tube room, and have a friend log them in to buff me when a king spawns, but they log right back out and I'm on my own after that.
No, you clearly have aego, focus, and VoG in the video.

100% not solo.
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Old 06-23-2025, 06:15 PM
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It was a fully solo kill, I had just gotten buffed by a group from under NG. I also keep my own sham / cleric / chanter parked in tube room, and have a friend log them in to buff me when a king spawns, but they log right back out and I'm on my own after that.
I think the point was that its not a solo kill if it requires the leveling and parking and logging in of 4 different classes to achieve the outcome. Would be more impressive if it was truly the toon using nothing but their own means to accomplish something. Even if it was just 1 toon on the encounter log, otherwise we're basically saying that Vindi is soloable.
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Old 06-24-2025, 11:04 AM
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Potions are cheat. They deserve to have interruptabe activation times.
People on P99 have been doing the Solo Artist Challenge for years here, and have long debated the merits of soloing with or without clickies. So, they came up with ranks:

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[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only

[S-] -> Soloed but used strong item clickies

[S*] -> Soloed without pull (or invis pulled)

[S*-] -> Soloed without pull and used strong item clickies

[D] -> Duoed

[D-] -> Duoed but used strong item clickies

[D*] -> Duoed without pull (or invis pulled)

[D*-] -> Duoed without pull and used strong item clickies

[T] -> Trioed
However, that only counts "strong item clickies":

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Strong item clickies include Puppet Strings, Donal's Chestplate of Mourning, Manastone, SoulFire, Reaper of the Dead, Wooly Spider Silk Net, etc., but not shaman potions or stuff like a Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring. Use your judgement, and remember: solo is solo for the purposes of ranks, no matter what you items you use.
In other words, over a decade of soloers here have all agreed that the use of Shaman potions or a Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring is not only viable for soloing, but in fact it's still the lowest/hardest level of soloing.
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Old 06-26-2025, 03:51 PM
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People on P99 have been doing the Solo Artist Challenge for years here, and have long debated the merits of soloing with or without clickies. So, they came up with ranks:



However, that only counts "strong item clickies":



In other words, over a decade of soloers here have all agreed that the use of Shaman potions or a Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring is not only viable for soloing, but in fact it's still the lowest/hardest level of soloing.
And the "strong clickies" being referred to back when SAC was booming were soulfires, reapers, and most importantly, the infamous dirt cheap Puppet Strings charges.
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