On personhood

[magnetaress]

Besides.

The real endgame is pizzahood 🍕😋

If things are to be conceptualized! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[F0rmsh1fter]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Besides.

The real endgame is pizzahood 🍕😋

Good opportunity for metaphor

Is a single slice of pizza a pizza, or does one require every slice intact to be a pizza?

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by F0rmsh1fter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good opportunity for metaphor

Is a single slice of pizza a pizza, or does one require every slice intact to be a pizza?

By definition once a slice is removed from a pizza that piece then becomes a slice of pizza where was for example said pizza had 8 slices the remains then becomes 7/8ths of a pizza. Both of these things are no longer subjectively or conceptually a pizza they become pizza adjacent, by qualification.

To be more precise. An 8 slice pizza becomes one slice if pizza and 7/8ths of an 8 slice pizza. This can be as granular and fine detailed as awareness and language permits. With many more properties and adjectives applied. However once something changes it is then something else. And everything in this reality or awareness is always changing from its inception. From likely before even the point of awareness.

Hedging all of ones bets on personhood or it's many variations there of remaining the same is a delusion.

[F0rmsh1fter]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By definition once a slice is removed from a pizza that piece then becomes a slice of pizza where was for example said pizza had 8 slices the remains then becomes 7/8ths of a pizza. Both of these things are no longer subjectively or conceptually a pizza they become pizza adjacent, by qualification.

Which is to say that one no longer qualifies as a person if any of the criteria are absent

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by F0rmsh1fter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which is to say that one no longer qualifies as a person if any of the criteria are absent

Reread the original responses edit. It's not as binary as all of that! A bunch more detail was added.

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Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By definition once a slice is removed from a pizza that piece then becomes a slice of pizza where was for example said pizza had 8 slices the remains then becomes 7/8ths of a pizza. Both of these things are no longer subjectively or conceptually a pizza they become pizza adjacent, by qualification.

To be more precise. An 8 slice pizza becomes one slice if pizza and 7/8ths of an 8 slice pizza. This can be as granular and fine detailed as awareness and language permits. With many more properties and adjectives applied. However once something changes it is then something else. And everything in this reality or awareness is always changing from its inception. From likely before even the point of awareness.

Hedging all of ones bets on personhood or it's many variations there of remaining the same is a delusion.

Is personhood finite? Or real? That is the truth. It's just made up by humanity to segregate and separate itself from the truth too be honest! The more detailed answer in the original reply is however, more accurate!

Whereas a binary definition of personhood is as flawed as the concept of personhood is itself.

[magnetaress]

Does one, by crude definition lose personhood when dead? Historically that personhood existed, therefore by the nature of the universe, arrow of time, causality, and all that. That person has to always exist for the present universe to exist. This proves through relation and causality, a person can never be erased. Personhood can never be truly, retroactively revoked.

However this is all based on the flawed and false view of personhood in the first place [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Personhood is a biased term: it only ever comes up when someone is trying to deny it.

No one questions whether the person walking next to them on the street is a person: it's only used when discussing whether fetuses ... or the brain dead, or criminals, or members of a racial/ethnic/national group you don't like ... "deserve" to be considered human.

As a result, there's no one "right" meaning, because that meaning is inherently tied to people's opinions (on the issues where the term gets used).

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Personhood is a biased term: it only ever comes up when someone is trying to deny it.

No one questions whether the person walking next to them on the street is a person: it's only used when discussing whether fetuses ... or the brain dead, or criminals, or members of a racial/ethnic/national group you don't like ... "deserve" to be considered human.

As a result, there's no one "right" meaning, because that meaning is inherently tied to people's opinions (on the issues where the term gets used).

Actually the right meaning is a person's a person no matter how small. 😛

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[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually the right meaning is a person's a person no matter how small. 😛

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Reiwa in a huggy mood today.

[shovelquest]

AI personhood incoming lol