Another reason entitlements need to go bye-bye

[deakolt]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing I love about govt mandated health care is the business side of it. Seriously, I wish I could be in an industry with ridiculous high artificial barriers of entry in which the government has mandated that every one of the 300+ million Americans MUST (under threat of punishment) purchase my flimsy promise to provide a (likely substandard) service if and when it is needed. Now that my friends, is a business plan.

pretty scary parallel to the military-industrial complex

[purist]

vote dr. paul to liberate us from bedrock social programs like social security and medicare

they may be literally the only thing separating the American middle class from abject poverty but looking out for billionares should be every Americans #1 priority

[Pico]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing I love about govt mandated health care is the business side of it. Seriously, I wish I could be in an industry with ridiculous high artificial barriers of entry in which the government has mandated that every one of the 300+ million Americans MUST (under threat of punishment) purchase my flimsy promise to provide a (likely substandard) service if and when it is needed. Now that my friends, is a business plan.

except businesses are in it for the bottom line. the government is in it to keep their people healthy.

or you can keep believing the govt is trying to trick you into buying their healthcare in order to make billions... to... provide you with healthcare...

[Pico]

but i mean hey all those other first world countries have free health care and the population loves it but fuck the poor right

[Loke]

Originally Posted by purist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

vote dr. paul to liberate us from bedrock social programs like social security and medicare

they may be literally the only thing separating the American middle class from abject poverty but looking out for billionares should be every Americans #1 priority

You're right, lets keep doing what we've been doing. Clearly it has been working. That 14 trillion in external debt (actually more like 12.5 since we technically owe 1.6 or so to ourselves) and potentially upwards of 100 trillion (that is right, I said ONE HUNDRED TRILLION) in internal future debt is just fake money - just like credit cards! WOOOOO FREE MONEY!

The issue that arises from social programs is not the fact that we're helping the needy - it is that they aren't economically sound in that we have no means to pay for them. Furthermore, there is a lot of sociological evidence to support the notion that social programs lead to higher rates of dependency, thus taking those who are in "abject poverty" and keeping them there. Someone here clearly hasn't heard the whole "teach a man to fish..." axiom.

[deakolt]

Originally Posted by Pico [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

except businesses are in it for the bottom line. the government is in it to keep their people healthy.

or you can keep believing the govt is trying to trick you into buying their healthcare in order to make billions... to... provide you with healthcare...

the "govt" is just a bunch of people with their own varied interests. I'm sure many of these people have "friends", "associates", etc in the healthcare business. Then it's no longer about the best interests of the people and more about the best interests of oneself and one's homies

[deakolt]

^ man that post sounds ignorant as fuck but I think you can understand what I'm getting at

[purist]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right, lets keep doing what we've been doing. Clearly it has been working. That 14 trillion in external debt (actually more like 12.5 since we technically owe 1.6 or so to ourselves) and potentially upwards of 100 trillion (that is right, I said ONE HUNDRED TRILLION) in internal future debt is just fake money - just like credit cards! WOOOOO FREE MONEY!

The issue that arises from social programs is not the fact that we're helping the needy - it is that they aren't economically sound in that we have no means to pay for them. Furthermore, there is a lot of sociological evidence to support the notion that social programs lead to higher rates of dependency, thus taking those who are in "abject poverty" and keeping them there. Someone here clearly hasn't heard the whole "teach a man to fish..." axiom.

didn't read lol

[Pico]

Originally Posted by deakolt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the "govt" is just a bunch of people with their own varied interests. I'm sure many of these people have "friends", "associates", etc in the healthcare business. Then it's no longer about the best interests of the people and more about the best interests of oneself and one's homies

i assure you the insurance companies have the govt in their pockets far more than anybody in the public healthcare sector

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing I love about govt mandated health care is the business side of it. Seriously, I wish I could be in an industry with ridiculous high artificial barriers of entry in which the government has mandated that every one of the 300+ million Americans MUST (under threat of punishment) purchase my flimsy promise to provide a (likely substandard) service if and when it is needed. Now that my friends, is a business plan.

much like car insurance? Neither of which I agree with because of the whole "mandatory" thing