Bards Vs. Enchanters

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if they can't CC or provide mana/haste as reliably as enchanters I'd still prefer a good bard over an average enchanter, and I'd guess that groups that use competent Bards as pullers get much faster exp than groups that don't.

Actually an enchanter can pull as well as a bard if they know how (just not with selos obviously) and keep mana regen/haste/CC up as well.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually an enchanter can pull as well as a bard if they know how (just not with selos obviously) and keep mana regen/haste/CC up as well.

The fact that Bards have an eye of zomm clickie + the ability to move while casting spells (in case of a lull resist or something) makes this extremely unlikely.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that Bards have an eye of zomm clickie + the ability to move while casting spells (in case of a lull resist or something) makes this extremely unlikely.

Moving while casting spells sure,

Elder holgresh beads in SoV evens the playing field.

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually an enchanter can pull as well as a bard if they know how (just not with selos obviously) and keep mana regen/haste/CC up as well.

not to mention the dps the charmed dual wielding hasted pet adds. Probably more than three bards would.

Any xp group only has to worry about breaking camp once. Bards don't pull any better than any other class with pacify indoors, and are worse at splitting spawns than any class with feign. I would never take someone in an xp group for pulling ability. That is an incredibly minor part of an xp group.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not to mention the dps the charmed dual wielding hasted pet adds. Probably more than three bards would.

Any xp group only has to worry about breaking camp once. Bards don't pull any better than any other class with pacify indoors, and are worse at splitting spawns than any class with feign. I would never take someone in an xp group for pulling ability. That is an incredibly minor part of an xp group.

It depends on the situation. In howling stones having a good puller (one who can pull through paintings/avoid 500 damage unresistable HT's etc.) is a big deal and can greatly increase the number of mobs the group gets per spawn cycle. That's just one example. I also never said to take them based on their pulling ability alone - take Bards because they are the best pullers in addition to being extremely good at CC. Or invite an enchanter instead because they are the best CC and still decent at pulling, whatever. Just recognize that both classes are very useful to have and a good Bard will pull their weight much better than an average enchanter. As for the other stuff you said, just refer to my previous posts.

edit: also, bard songs don't cost mana. Just sayin'.

[Fourthmeal]

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[Vohl]

I've actually been in groups with both. Each of you grabs a charm pet from the pull. Enchanter tashes and slows mobs the bard AE mezzes and hastes / casts C on the group. There's plenty to keep you both busy.

That said, there's quite a bit of overlap. Most people I play with consider them more or less completely interchangeable. Enchanters are more caster-friendly due to C/C2; bards are more melee-friendly due to not needing to med up.

[greatdane]

With the charisma for charm to stick consistently, an enchanter far out-damages a wizard wherever there are mobs available to charm. It's a bit risky, though, so I wouldn't do it in a group that struggles.