Character Question

[Rainflush]

Originally Posted by Taketz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, Trolls regen faster than iksar?

That is my understanding.

[Rainflush]

Originally Posted by nalkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

for shaman you almost have to go ogre, unless you want to be gimp.

Can you articulate on this? I understand that the accelerated regeneration trolls possess becomes negligible when a shaman learns the Torpor spell, and that an ogre's frontal stun immunity gives them a certain melee advantage and the ability to defeat some powerful enemies (such as the dragons in Western Wastes) by themselves, does the ogre's alleged superiority extend beyond these things?

[nalkin]

Originally Posted by Rainflush [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you articulate on this? I understand that the accelerated regeneration trolls possess becomes negligible when a shaman learns the Torpor spell, and that an ogre's frontal stun immunity gives them a certain melee advantage and the ability to defeat some powerful enemies (such as the dragons in Western Wastes) by themselves, does the ogre's alleged superiority extend beyond these things?

Not really, though ogres have amazing starting stats as well. If those don't matter to you then it shouldn't really matter.

[vageta31]

Originally Posted by Rainflush [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you articulate on this? I understand that the accelerated regeneration trolls possess becomes negligible when a shaman learns the Torpor spell, and that an ogre's frontal stun immunity gives them a certain melee advantage and the ability to defeat some powerful enemies (such as the dragons in Western Wastes) by themselves, does the ogre's alleged superiority extend beyond these things?

Ogres are truly the best shaman. Between original classic and other emu servers I've tried all the classic races. Ogre wins hands down, troll comes in 2nd then it comes down to Barb or Iksar depending on your criteria. Ogre gets by far the best stats (127 sta at creation), and their wis is still higher than a Trolls. Barbs get chosen because they're the only good race and people like their looks. Otherwise they are the weakest.

Even casual players have a chance at a JBB and Iksar's can't use them. Troll's get access to snare clicky necklace, but it's not all that great honestly but it can help at low levels.

However it just comes down to what you like. People will defend their "favorite" Shaman with their own reasons, but subjectively Ogre wins hands down. Only those who've played them will understand. Frontal stun immunity is better than it sounds. The less you're stunned, the more DPS you'll do in a fight. The less times you'll be interrupted during that heal or root. The more str/hps you have without even having to buff with those sweet Ogre stats.

[soup]

I have a high level shaman that is not troll or ogre or iksar, and let me tell you that I would MUCH rather have the stun immunity than the regen.

[XiakenjaTZ]

ogre, no frontal stun also if i remember.

[Kevlar]

barb female.

at least if you want to trade cyborz for all the good raid loots. stun imm means jack squat on raid boss while big barb hooters can sway loot awards.

[bakkily]

i personally enjoy my iksar, but before i played the iksar i was playing a barb shaman, i really do wish i never sold the account to restart a iksar, for one, be 60 now, but iksars arent a bad route, besides we're evil to every race and we hate every race so its sorta fair

i'd say barb or iksar

[isoka]

Go for troll, and worship Innoruuk for the snare necklace.

If you solo or if you group, you will want the hp regen in order to gain more mana. The true shaman power isn't really in its mana pool but his way to regain mana faster than other classes.

For those saying that the stun front immunity means more dps, it's true. But I would say it's casually true. If you are tanking as a shaman because you dps, you are doing it wrong. You'd better root it for 30 mana and avoid the hits (remember, hp = mana), rather than losing potential mana tanking a mob.

So far, I have yet to die due to a front stun.

[vageta31]

Originally Posted by isoka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For those saying that the stun front immunity means more dps, it's true. But I would say it's casually true. If you are tanking as a shaman because you dps, you are doing it wrong. You'd better root it for 30 mana and avoid the hits (remember, hp = mana), rather than losing potential mana tanking a mob.

So far, I have yet to die due to a front stun.

I'd argue that you're doing it wrong, but since we all have our own playstyle neither of us would be correct.

The true power of the Ogre is that he CAN tank throughout most of his career and it IS better than pure root dotting. Think about the Shaman's powers, he can debuff a mob, buff himself(including haste), has dots and a dog. All of that equals increasing his DPS and decreasing the mobs.

I found that without a doubt it was far more mana efficient to simply slow a mob, throw on a Dot while you tank it with dog helping out. Because you use less mana per fight with this method, and mobs go down way faster, you get far more exp per hour that burning all your mana to kill fewer mobs then medding/canni dancing back to full.

Besides it's kind of embarrassing playing a Shaman that fights like a Druid. Shamans with a huge 2h weapon and lots of hp items can rip it up. If you can hit for 50-60 while hasted, then yes your DPS actually helps out a lot. You hitting for that much, along with dog hitting, along with a DoT.. mob won't survive long enough to do much damage. Especially if it's slowed.