guildmeeting is ON THE MENU

[Jify]

Originally Posted by Zordana [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i dont see a success in this talk without a GM aswell

The GMs have already stated that they prefer that the players handle this stuff themselves. They don't want to become involved in the politics and inter-guild spats.

This meeting between guilds is a logical move towards less GM involvement in guild relations. To hunker down and cry anarchy without the presence of a GM is counter productive for everyone. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think this guild meeting can work wonderfully if everyone shows some respect. I'd still love to listen in. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Shannacore]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wieso aber denn? die haben uns immer wieder gefragt, ob wir uns selber nicht steuern koennten -- wir haben jetzt die macht dazu, und solange die nacher wissen, wie wir uns entschieden haben und damit einverstanden sind, sehe ich da ja keine probleme

I thought you were azn

[karsten]

Originally Posted by Jify [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The GMs have already stated that they prefer that the players handle this stuff themselves. They don't want to become involved in the politics and inter-guild spats.

This meeting between guilds is a logical move towards less GM involvement in guild relations. To hunker down and cry anarchy without the presence of a GM is counter productive for everyone. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think this guild meeting can work wonderfully if everyone shows some respect. I'd still love to listen in. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anyways secrets also offered to mediate if rogean can't make it on sunday -- which he might be able to anyways and is welcome to come

[Xzerion]

I'm very puzzled at the skepticism about not having a GM there. There are obvious gray areas and holes in the current ruleset, they dont universally apply to each encounter. We all want things more black and white. The format is an officer and the guild leader from each guild attending. If people cant be respectful to one another then they frankly dont need to be there. None of us have the authority to "change" the rules. My understanding of the outcome would be we would supply Dev staff with the notes and let the Devs tweak the rules from there or do what they please. Obviously any rule we unanimously agree on has a better chance at getting changed then something that we are all split or torn on.

My point here is that we all want content developed faster and better. The GMs have all said they dont care about guild drama and they encourage player decisions and agreements....so let the GMs develop. There is no reason why we cannot be respectful to one another. For the people who doubt that still...try sending a tell and communicating with the people who would be in this meeting, I think you will be surprised.

[Uaellaen]

the reason i sayd, i do not want a guild meeting without a GM is quite simple ... have you read the forums? Do you see any of the raid guilds getting along?

Its not like the GMs tried to let the guild leaders handle this for months, and what came out of it? one flame fest after the other ...

Now back to the topic, on sunday 4pm CST (that should be 11pm CET) i will most lilkely make it on time.

I will attend with 1 Officer that will mostlikely be Zahlia.

See you sunday, and lets hope we can have a civil discussion about the raid future =)


Uuaellaen

[karsten]

I'll also mention that if people would not like to meet and instead continue with the current ruleset, i'm ok with that too -- clearly though, it seems that guilds other than ours would like more definition, and we're up for that

[Zordana]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wieso aber denn? die haben uns immer wieder gefragt, ob wir uns selber nicht steuern koennten -- wir haben jetzt die macht dazu, und solange die nacher wissen, wie wir uns entschieden haben und damit einverstanden sind, sehe ich da ja keine probleme

naja, schau dir das forum an.. meinst du im teamspeak (oder vent oder wo auch immer) wäre es anders?
selbstverständlich hätten die guild-leader potential das alleine zu besprechen und einen kompromiss zu finden, jedoch hat es bis jetzt auch nicht wirklich geklappt (über forum diskussionen) und ich denke es sollte zumindest ein neutraler gesprächspartner dabei sein

[karsten]

Originally Posted by Zordana [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

naja, schau dir das forum an.. meinst du im teamspeak (oder vent oder wo auch immer) wäre es anders?
selbstverständlich hätten die guild-leader potential das alleine zu besprechen und einen kompromiss zu finden, jedoch hat es bis jetzt auch nicht wirklich geklappt (über forum diskussionen) und ich denke es sollte zumindest ein neutraler gesprächspartner dabei sein

jo, ich meine, ich weiss was du meinst. und wenigstens ein GM wird da anwesen sein zu moderieren -- wobei ich auch erwaehnen wuerde, dass wir gestern so quasi-informell schon gesprochen haben, und es ist gut gelaufen

edit: what, shanna, asian people can't speak german?

[Zordana]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

jo, ich meine, ich weiss was du meinst. und wenigstens ein GM wird da anwesen sein zu moderieren -- wobei ich auch erwaehnen wuerde, dass wir gestern so quasi-informell schon gesprochen haben, und es ist gut gelaufen

jo ich hoffe es klappt und haut hin..

[tsonka]

Ok Uuaellaen, im gonna add Remedy to the confirmed list ... that leaves Fish Bait and GC