Is monk vs warrior dps really classic right now?

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Motec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok so you're level 50, your duel wield and double attack skill is f*ck all.

Combined your weapon ratio is .9 or so. The monk is .93.

Formulas
(LVL+Skill)/600 dual wield 200
(LVL+Skill)/500 double attack 205

So at 49, your warrior dual wield is 41.5%
His double attack rate is 50.8%

So immediately your offhand ratio is .22, mainhand .45. So .67 combined ratio compared to the monk's .93 (im talking roughly here, not going into decimal and shit). So automatically the monk is doing 38% more damage than you.

I cant be f*cked typing actually...But suffice to say, your weapons suck arse, his are far better, and you're duel wielding at a level that dual wield provides f*ck all damage increase. His dps does not rely on his offhand and shit double attack/dual wield rates and the stars aligning.

Fact of the matter is, buy a 31/37 staff of battle for cheap, and thats as good as you're going to get if you want to dps. Otherwise you'll always be well behind monks.

Total
--- DMG: 2582 (100%) @ 76 dps (76 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 315 @10dps

Imgunna
--- DMG: 1988 (76.99%) @ 58 dps (58 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 315 @10dps

Sakuragi
--- DMG: 594 (23.01%) @ 26 dps (17 sdps)

Here is me using Staff of Battle (on the spiders to avoid the damage shield). As you can see I still do precisely 50% of his damage. I know this is one fight which is highly variable, but just believe me when I say I've parsed Staff of Battle and while it may or may not be marginally better than its not hugely better. In fact I went back to the parsing today and his average 36 dps in the Dreadlands is beating out the Epic rogue I was grouped with in Sol B (mobs are higher level, but still).

Look before I made this toon I saw a post about how one of our Iksar monks takes less DPS than a shadowknight and ends up about equal for tanking with him only if the cleric is CH'ing because the SK has more HP. I knew that monks do more damage than warriors as well, as they are designed as a dps class. I just thought I'd do something a little different. But again, I just don't see how a damage difference of 100% can possibly be classic.

For example, see Treats' post on AC: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=48312 - current monk tanking at 50 is about 10% better than warriors which matches my experience very well, so its perfectly classic. But not that after the patch monks take only 10% worse than warriors, with the implication that they probably do 10-30% or something more damage, not 100% more.

[Versus]

You woulda been a lot more pissed off had you been wondering about this in the first few months after Kunark dropped.

[joppykid]

One thing I don't know if you're taking into account is flying kick which can hit for over 100. That is a huge difference in DPS.

[Splorf22]

So at 50 I should double attack 250/600 = 42% of the time, while my monk buddy would get 50% double attacks. 1.5/1.42 = +5.8% damage.

Look, just to be clear, I'm not saying warriors are supposed to be outdpsing monks. I'm just saying there is just no way monks are supposed to be doing TWICE warrior damage in classic.

[Orruar]

The monk has a better weapon and better haste than you, on top of more double attacks and likely attacking from the rear while you're attacking from the front and losing dps to mob dodge/parry/riposte. Throw in flying kick and yeah, no wonder he's doing twice the damage.

[Orruar]

Also, what's his STR vs your STR? My guess is that monks stack more +STR than warriors...

[fischsemmel]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just don't see how a damage difference of 100% can possibly be classic.

If your argument is "in p99 monks do more damage relative to warriors than they did in classic," you should probably stop just showing that they do more damage than warriors on p99 and start pointing to old sources that support your argument.

[Splorf22]

Just digging into the numbers a little more, Flying Kick was about 15% of his DPS. It was mostly just the Peacebringer. Kick for warriors btw is about 0.5 dps or so [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure if I should be happy or sad that my 46 bard can chant for 25 dps. Heh.

If you get good enough instruments, your DPS can more than double that at level 60 (keep in mind also you get extra dots at 48, 59 and 60)

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just digging into the numbers a little more, Flying Kick was about 15% of his DPS. It was mostly just the Peacebringer. Kick for warriors btw is about 0.5 dps or so [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So 15% of his dps is 30% of yours. The difference in weapon is likely about 10-12%, haste is a few % (depends on the rounding). Double attack difference is 10% or so. Who knows what your STR is compared to his. Total these up and you're looking at 55% or more depending on STR. You parsed yourself with staff of battle at 26 dps and the "long term" parse for him is 36 dps, a 40% increase. This would lead us to believe that warrior dps is too high currently and needs to be nerfed. Of course, your 26 dps number is on a single mob. Perhaps you should do some actual parsing (multiple hours) before drawing any conclusions?