Game Mechanics: Game breaking raid issue: Sirran the Lunatic

[Nirgon]

You do realize that every mechanic is not spelled out in an Everquest patch note and there will be bugs unique to the emu code they have.

Certain bugs were also bugs that would have been fixed had they been DISCOVERED earlier in the time line.

There's a clear case for a game breaking bug that was used on classic for a very short period... but just because it was discovered in Luclin or later doesn't mean it needs to be in here.

[uygi]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize that every mechanic is not spelled out in an Everquest patch note and there will be bugs unique to the emu code they have.

Certain bugs were also bugs that would have been fixed had they been DISCOVERED earlier in the time line.

There's a clear case for a game breaking bug that was used on classic for a very short period... but just because it was discovered in Luclin or later doesn't mean it needs to be in here.

Now you're talking about un-classic balance issues. That's Nilbog territory, so take it up with him. Many things on P99 aren't classic, most especially the player base and its knowledge of the game (and the game's future).

If you're going to post that something is a bug, you need evidence. If you've searched tirelessly and can't find any even though you're REALLY SURE, you can make a post politely requesting assistance.

[Nirgon]

I found "evidence" that says he should death touch..

[Ambrotos]

If anyone has facts through links feel free to post them. Just posting blocks of words from your memory won't cut it to argue.

[Nirgon]

I read what got this changed and if that's considered evidence... heh.

I have posted a detailed raid guide that mentions dictating and rapturing NPCs with absolutely no mention of using Sirran..

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I read what got this changed and if that's considered evidence... heh.

I have posted a detailed raid guide that mentions dictating and rapturing NPCs with absolutely no mention of using Sirran..

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The guide you linked also discusses spirocs as having "small aggro", and the poster did not even know how to spawn Sister of the Spire. The poster also recommends just killing the left and right bee and just camping a cleric and coming back 80 minutes later to finish the boss solo. Hardcore mode I suppose. While he discusses being able to pull some mobs from various islands to the preceding islands and using charm on various mobs, such as the bees, he never once mentions we tried to charm Sirran and it resisted or said "cannot be charmed".

So how is this detailed guide evidence that Sirran is not charmable? If anything it would lead to an assumption that they didn't even try it.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I found "evidence" that says he should death touch..

Where is it?

The word document nor the yuku forum post indicate that, and that is the only source of evidence you have provided so far.

[Nirgon]

Raid guide also here lists Sirran as a death touch mob.

http://www.angelfire.com/freak/eqjon...1/posguide.pdf

Sirran The Lunatic, like the Key Master, should never be attacked. He hits for 2000+ and death
touches so you’ll pretty much be dead before you can say “mommy”. Once he spawns, he will despawn 45
minutes later.

Doesn't look like some slob made that guide in 2 minutes either.

He should also apparently be lvl 63?

When the princess is slain, a MOB you’ll come to know and love
spawns in her place, a halfling called Sirran the Lunatic (level 63).

Doesn't sound charmable to me and is way better evidence than someone hearing a story or thinking so and mentioning it briefly in relation to Frozen Moses in Kael who was pretty quickly patched.

[Lazortag]

I'm fairly sure he should DT:

http://web.archive.org/web/200107080...how&BID=187448

[Nirgon]

Awaiting Kanras/Nilbog review of evidence.

Please try to post better evidence than this.