quick bard charm question

[astuce999]

Originally Posted by Gwence [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

high charisma just gives u full length on lvl 39 charm more often, which is like a minute or so. the charm that doesnt cost mana only affects mobs that are level 37 or lower, you can charm those mobs indefintely just leave the song on.

wind instrument does nothing to mod your charm, I wouldnt bother even using one, have something with +cha equipped.

Right, I agree with most of this, except that wind instrument will help your charm land in the first place, as opposed to being resisted, but after it has landed there`s no reason to keep it and can change to a +cha item (namely crude stein).

My only problem is that you're not supposed to be able to use the lvl 27 charm to keep mobs charmed indefinitely by keeping the song on, so not working as intended.

'Stuce

[Gwence]

I agree with most of this, except that wind instrument will help your charm land in the first place

Sorry pal, I have the best flute in the game and it does absolutely nothing except assist in playing invis song.

You want your highest charisma when u land the charm because that is when the check is done especially with the 39 charm.

[Jete]

Ok, lets stop the rumors. I wasn't going to post but you guys are making a lot up.

First off, CHA is huge for a Bard, just as it is for an enchanter. And Doug you of all people know this. If you really think less than 120 CHA will be good to go, you are wrong.

Second, never charm a mob in fear / hate.

Third, flute does nothing and if you want the truth, here it is. On live Wind instruments were a REQUIREMENT to cast the charm song, like the invis song, levi song and any other wind song. The flute effect ( 2.4X modifier or w/e ) has never and will never do anything to a song. All a wind instrument does is meet a item requirement, much like bone chips for necros.

And lastly, P99 has destroyed Bard charming. P99 is so Enchanter based it makes me cry. There is no reason bards should have to dmg to a mob to get full xp. And if you disagree with this, you try charming a mob for up to 1 min and having to do 1 dmg after every charm tick. Another thing is Bard charm should never put the aggro on the bard. This effectively has made bard charming worthless and even less classic than it already was.

As it stands with bard charm, We cannot swarm kite due to factions not working, we cannot kite, due to every mob having aggro after the first charm, we cannot get full xp unless you just happen to pull off 1 dmg before the mob dies, which requires an extra dps song twist in the midst of an already 5 twist. ( Nivs, regen, Selos, charm and levi if you dont have a cloak ) the good news however, is that we still need 40% more xp than every other class because we are just that awesome.

I have been gone a while and I will bring this up to Haynar ( if he cares, because I know they think charm is OP.. due to people whining about enchanters ) but the odds of anyone caring is pretty slim-to-none. The fact is, if you want to make a bard, congrats on your new mana song bot. If you want to raid and CC / charm and be useful, make an enchanter.

Edit*-

The most important thing for a bard is lowering magic resists on the mob. If you can get your hands on a tash stick of some sort or a malo / tash friend you're good to go.

If you go the tash stick route just dual wield them with haste song and a fair amount of dex until proc ( which requires chant of battle and self haste songs ) if and when the tash hits, charm the mob and start twisting double regen ( nivs and regen song. ) This is exactly why I stack hp / cha while soloing.

If you have more questions on the subject you can ask me directly, as I am probably one of the few bards that are consistently charming something somewhere.

[guineapig]

In your how to video you said that for charm soloing you only need to use one song. (as long as you have sow and lev).

Is the need for all these extra songs and additional damage due to something that was changed in a recent patch?

[Jete]

Well my video was an outdoor charm video. Indoors things change a bit.