Why Classic EQ is still the best online RPG (and how P1999 could make it even better)

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by Noudess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So bottom line, what do the GMs want here? Classic or Classic Intent by devs?

How would they know what the classic intent by the devs would be? Your guess is as good as mine.

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Noudess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So bottom line, what do the GMs want here? Classic or Classic Intent by devs?

Also, you guys want this stuff, do you also want all bugs present in classic, or just the ones you can take advantage of?

It was stated in the last QQ thread and I'll state it in this one:

The intent of the server is to come as close to Classic as possible (with the current client/staff/time)

If you want a classic experience with custom elements, well.. you better get started on that server.

[Itap]

Originally Posted by Noudess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So bottom line, what do the GMs want here?

They have made this perfectly clear, numerous times

[Furniture]

Plain and simple the game would be much much better without twinking, pling, item recharging etc. but even if the devs agreed to make eq better there would be a backlash because unfortunately verant back in the day were too inept to do anything about it so now were stuck with a server that uses these "exploits" as normal every day behavior, item recharging and mq is bullshit, needs to go asap but there's nothing we can do

[quido]

the fuk u just say 2 me?

[Frogie305]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the fuk u just say 2 me?

Jeremy this shit made me laugh so damn hard.... this is for you .







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[Randarn]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the fuk u just say 2 me?

Well said Jeremy. Hilarous as always. I am even laughing now..minutes later. Stupid but effective.

-Trys

[Estu]

I liked a lot of what you said (especially before you got to the suggestions), but I also like this:

Originally Posted by Itap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Determining what or whats not fun is subjective. People loved EverQuest for many reasons, not just the reasons you listed.

Some of your complaints are more valid than others. Yes, PLing can shut down a zone and prevent regular groups from EXPing there, and that's sad. But if someone is being PLed and it isn't to the detriment of others, or if they twink themselves using their main, think about this person's play history - how did they get the money for the gear, or for the PL? They started from scratch and slowly worked their way up just like everyone else (unless of course a friend helped them out in a huge way).

The grind from 1 to 60 starting with nothing is an adventure, but it is a very long adventure and a lot of people don't want to repeat it with every other character they play, so they choose to speed it up with twinking or PLing. Twinking a character and leveling that character is fun in a completely different way than leveling a character from nothing, and offers a different (and still challenging, since you are taking on harder targets) experience that's enjoyable in its own way - you're thinking about some very interesting questions regarding what gear to put on the new character and why, where to get that gear, how to spend the money you have effectively, et cetera; and then you get to play this character, a superman of your own design, and take down more difficult mobs and camps than you could otherwise. And unlike PLing, twinking your character helps the people around you, assuming you're not a snob about who you group with. No, it doesn't necessarily make sense from the roleplaying perspective, but few people play EQ as serious roleplayers, though they might enjoy the sense of accomplishment that comes with the challenge and arduousness of the game, and they might enjoy the large world and atmosphere.

[Noudess]

Originally Posted by Estu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I liked a lot of what you said (especially before you got to the suggestions), but I also like this:



Some of your complaints are more valid than others. Yes, PLing can shut down a zone and prevent regular groups from EXPing there, and that's sad. But if someone is being PLed and it isn't to the detriment of others, or if they twink themselves using their main, think about this person's play history - how did they get the money for the gear, or for the PL? They started from scratch and slowly worked their way up just like everyone else (unless of course a friend helped them out in a huge way).

The grind from 1 to 60 starting with nothing is an adventure, but it is a very long adventure and a lot of people don't want to repeat it with every other character they play, so they choose to speed it up with twinking or PLing. Twinking a character and leveling that character is fun in a completely different way than leveling a character from nothing, and offers a different (and still challenging, since you are taking on harder targets) experience that's enjoyable in its own way - you're thinking about some very interesting questions regarding what gear to put on the new character and why, where to get that gear, how to spend the money you have effectively, et cetera; and then you get to play this character, a superman of your own design, and take down more difficult mobs and camps than you could otherwise. And unlike PLing, twinking your character helps the people around you, assuming you're not a snob about who you group with. No, it doesn't necessarily make sense from the roleplaying perspective, but few people play EQ as serious roleplayers, though they might enjoy the sense of accomplishment that comes with the challenge and arduousness of the game, and they might enjoy the large world and atmosphere.

Well said.

I do think your first point still fails to separate player from character, which I feel is key to an RPG.

As to the second, that's why I didnt recommend any changes to twinking and only the 2x level Xp mod as far as Pling. Both reasonable and the 2x level xp mod would only affect those trying to claim a whole zone for their level 12 while making a mockery of the genre.

[eqravenprince]

Even if PLing was slowed down, would you really want that? That means they'll be in the lower level zones that much longer. If you really wanted to make PLing harder, you would have to prevent high level buffs like DS/Regen, and change the flee code so that the higher level mob will beat on someone several levels below them.