Discussion on R99 vs VZTZ **POSTPONED**

[Rokannis]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back to the issues though - people don't want to face the top guild heads up every single time, it's design is flawed for the top guild. I'm out peace out.

However...if there were 3 teams, and 2 teams who were tier2 guilds banded together, they could actually stand a chance.

The nice thing about teams is that even if you are a tier 2 guild on the server, you are a tier1 guild for your team. So you don't feel as "second" class and you have something to fight and strive for.

[Zutroy]

Oh shit. Xyshina =) How are you? I was just talking to static, and oadina.

[Rokannis]

Originally Posted by Zutroy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh shit. Xyshina =) How are you? I was just talking to static, and oadina.

who u

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Rokannis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However...if there were 3 teams, and 2 teams who were tier2 guilds banded together, they could actually stand a chance.

The nice thing about teams is that even if you are a tier 2 guild on the server, you are a tier1 guild for your team. So you don't feel as "second" class and you have something to fight and strive for.

Problem with teams right now would be the vast majority would join whatever team Nihilum was on. Otherwise they have no chance end game. So one team would be 80% of the pop and then this might as well be a blue server.

[Rokannis]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Problem with teams right now would be the vast majority would join whatever team Nihilum was on. Otherwise they have no chance end game. So one team would be 80% of the pop and then this might as well be a blue server.

Obviously. Thats why we need a Red NEXT. Zekkers would be coming out of the wood works to relive their former glory. But anyone who's played teams couldnt give a fuck about FFA. Nor does FFA sound appealing to anyone on blue, especially with the dicks it creates.

Guarantee you former Zekkers would also join whatever team Nihilium wasn't on just to pummel their face in and drag them down a few notches.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Rokannis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously. Thats why we need a Red NEXT. Zekkers would be coming out of the wood works to relive their former glory. But anyone who's played teams couldnt give a fuck about FFA. Nor does FFA sound appealing to anyone on blue, especially with the dicks it creates.

Why would they create yet another pvp server. this server has shown that people like blue more than red. If anything they would create a new blue server to split the population up some.

[Rokannis]

EQ is a community based game, it always has been, that has been its draw from the start. Massively MULTIPLAYER...It is not a fast paced FPS where FFA is fun because you can hop in, kill some kids and hop out. Most everything in EQ takes some form of communication with others whether it be buffs, ports, raiding, group pvp, exping, trading etc. FFA by its very name is FREE...FOR...ALL. Every man for himself promotes a selfish mentality from the get go. Why promote selfish game play in a community based game? Why not create a server with rule sets that help build communities and steer them in the right direction, then the drama and player politics can build from there.

What people don't realize about teams is that psychologically you are more willing to help people of your same faction than you are to help everyone that can be labeled an "enemy". If the top "evil" team was heading towards a raid mob on SZ, we would announce it in the most public of places and the neutrals would come rallying together to fight a common enemy. You could say you can do the same on an FFA server, but do you really care as much when the guy /oocing just PKed you yesterday? Fuck that guy.

People also don't understand when people are pushed into teams they work to support them no matter what happens, good or bad. Now that isn't true for EVERY player...but there is an underdog syndrome and there are plenty of good players who like to not take the easy way out. Its like the football fan who cheers for his team even though didn't make it to the play offs. He's still their fan and will live and die by his team. Psychology 101 guys. People like to feel associated with something. Its the same reason we all play EQ and why DND was invented, because its a sense of belonging, whether you admit it or not.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by Rokannis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQ is a community based game, it always has been, that has been its draw from the start. Massively MULTIPLAYER...It is not a fast paced FPS where FFA is fun because you can hop in, kill some kids and hop out. Most everything in EQ takes some form of communication with others whether it be buffs, ports, raiding, group pvp, exping, trading etc. FFA by its very name is FREE...FOR...ALL. Every man for himself promotes a selfish mentality from the get go. Why promote selfish game play in a community based game? Why not create a server with rule sets that help build communities and steer them in the right direction, then the drama and player politics can build from there.

What people don't realize about teams is that psychologically you are more willing to help people of your same faction than you are to help everyone that can be labeled an "enemy". If the top "evil" team was heading towards a raid mob on SZ, we would announce it in the most public of places and the neutrals would come rallying together to fight a common enemy. You could say you can do the same on an FFA server, but do you really care as much when the guy /oocing just PKed you yesterday? Fuck that guy.

And yet, as someone who had max level char on blue and red server, rallos zek had far and away the better community. There was a strong system of chaos vs order there, and most of the pvp was warring factions of anti-pk guilds.

[Colgate]

p sure the reason why red99 is dead isn't because people don't like pvp

it's because within a week everyone realized how awful the server was set up

but you weren't around then eldermoran so i'm not going to think for a second that you have any sort of valid opinion on the matter

[Stasis01]

Elderans hobby is killing dragons, we get it so he sides against change since he has a 1 guild blue server.

Low lvl/mid level community, team community, opposition, rivalry, economy, alts, casuals all of these factors don't contribute to Elderan's perception of a good server. He just wants to be in the top guild and get all the pixels, which he has - Nihilum isn't that exclusive either bro, some of your stuff sounds high horseish, and you don't impress me.