Lock Server Until an Agreement is Met

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No pound of flesh. But 90% dominance to 50-70% dominance that still includes all of VP is more than fair.

The hardcores offered 10 uncontested days of raiding a month which included all targets. The 66/33 split was categorically rejected. I personally find that acceptable and fair to both parties.

Simply tack on a provision that any guild killing more than X targets in that 10 day time period is treated as a hardcore for Y days and you've got a self-policing and extremely simple policy that can take immediate effect.

It's a shame that deal was not made.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Turp_SmokinPurp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TL DR

Rotation or no one raids.

Must be the 3rd or 4th time my statement has been quoted, and then warped to your own meaning. My, it has gotten you guys pretty upset, hasn't it?

TL DR is a solution for *everyone*

not just you

not just me

This could mean a rotation, or anything else that the MAJORITY agrees upon.


Trying to pass it off as the "dreaded rotation" feels like a scare tactic to try to get people to rush into an agreement that is only in the best interest of the few before the ban hammer falls. I personally won't be. Hopefully others are keeping up and won't be either.

I stand by what I said. And its not what you are saying I said

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And happy new year. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Not being sarcastic. I really don't hate any of you

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Reminds me of this:

For it is not difficult to see what must be the consequences when democracy embarks upon a course of planning. The goal of the planning will be described by some such vague term as "the general welfare." There will be no real agreement as to the ends to be attained, and the effect of the people's agreeing that there must be central planning, without agreeing on the ends, will be rather as if a group of people were to commit themselves to take a journey together without agreeing where they want to go: with the result that they may all have to make a journey which most of them do not want at all.

Democratic assemblies cannot function as planning agencies. They cannot produce agreement on everything — the whole direction of the resources of the nation-for the number of possible courses of action will be legion. Even if a congress could, by proceeding step by step and compromising at each point, agree on some scheme, it would certainly in the end satisfy nobody.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that the MAJORITY agrees upon.

The issue that many of us take is that we're measuring the will of the "majority" by using each guild as a single unit of measurement. The voting guilds are not equal in size, influence, and power. It's a complete disconnect to take a purely egalitarian view when such staggering differences exist. Not only have the guilds present in this discussion not been selected by the "majority," but no one has even defined who or what make's up the majority! For example, many posts have been made (some of which were deleted) which ask us to both "consider the little guy not yet raiding" and to also not have the audacity to think that we speak for everyone.

The issue is that a specific set of the population has banded together with the spurious idea that making the most noise somehow equals the right to dictate terms.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue is that a specific set of the population has banded together with the spurious idea that making the most noise somehow equals the right to dictate terms.

so everyone not TMO/FE got it......

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue that many of us take is that we're measuring the will of the "majority" by using each guild as a single unit of measurement. The voting guilds are not equal in size, influence, and power. It's a complete disconnect to take a purely egalitarian view when such staggering differences exist. Not only have the guilds present in this discussion not been selected by the "majority," but no one has even defined who or what make's up the majority! For example, many posts have been made (some of which were deleted) which ask us to both "consider the little guy not yet raiding" and to also not have the audacity to think that we speak for everyone.

The issue is that a specific set of the population has banded together with the spurious idea that making the most noise somehow equals the right to dictate terms.

BDA alone possibly larger than FE, IB, & TMO put together. Haven't seen the latest server stats.

[-Catherin-]

I think it was made pretty clear when Rogean put his foot down about this whole thing that the top Dogs are not above us in what is considered a majority and we are not above them. Like it or not that means something needs to happen that everyone is happy with, or at the least are grudgingly be able to accept.

What a few guild's view as their own superior efforts in the raid scene, or their actual sheer numbers does not put them in some sort of higher standing than everyone else.

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue is that a specific set of the population has banded together with the spurious idea that making the most noise somehow equals the right to dictate terms.

Not agreeing with your terms doesn't mean anyone is dictating anything. It just means they found your terms unacceptable. Dictators also do not make concessions or attempt to compromise. There were concessions in that vent convo and attempts to compromise. More than I feel should be necessary. So drop the dictation tact.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue is that a specific set of the population has banded together with the spurious idea that making the most noise somehow equals the right to dictate terms.

I don't know where you got this idea. Both sides seem to be under the impression that if they make a large enough noise their voices will finally be heard. At least that's what it looks like when viewing the boards over the past 2 days.

The current plan was done quietly as not to make big waves, but done with respect to all of the individuals it would currently affect. Its plan was not to punish anyone but to be as broadly appealing and beneficial as possible while still being accepted.

[Tyym]

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BDA alone possibly larger than FE, IB, & TMO put together. Haven't seen the latest server stats.

You know what, I believe you. Then why the hell are you guys whining so much. Put a little effort into the game and knock TMO and us out of the top spot. OH WAIT... You guys might have to put effort into the game. Reducing our ability to hit targets to only 14 days a month so you can clean up uncontested with your mass of underachieving players is a pretty weak offer if you ask me.

You guys need to wake up and look what you are asking. What we are offering is more than acceptable. We have been blamed for server discontent, Obamacare and everything else. The simple solution is to take the offer or it seems we will all suffer the consequences, not just the CAT A guilds.

Morphius
60 Neckbeard of Forceful Entry and insufferable twat

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I still haven't hit 60 so you guys have plenty of time to argue.