The official RMTer Goodbye P1999 Thread

[Derubael]

You accepted platinum from an account that was not only a known RMT mule, but also had the RMT'er logged into the account at the time you accepted the platinum. This is not someone who plays the game. The only thing they do is sell platinum.

In your specific situation, since you decided to call out my methods, you claim you powerleveld someone for a couple hours, and then they gave you platinum for it. Platinum you did not request, but was instead given to you out of the kindness of their heart.

In this scenario, I find it very unlikely someone purchased platinum with RL cash to give to you when they didn't need to.

We don't just ban people who get platinum for nothing. Stop misleading people.

[Buffet_Shammy]

Originally Posted by QuasiGnome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You assume a lot.


No, receiving "in-game" money for your "in-game" time is about as classic as it gets.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You accepted platinum from an account that was not only a known RMT mule, but also had the RMT'er logged into the account at the time you accepted the platinum. This is not someone who plays the game. The only thing they do is sell platinum.

In your specific situation, since you decided to call out my methods, you claim you powerleveld someone for a couple hours, and then they gave you platinum for it. Platinum you did not request, but was instead given to you out of the kindness of their heart.

In this scenario, I find it very unlikely someone purchased platinum with RL cash to give to you when they didn't need to.

We don't just ban people who get platinum for nothing. Stop misleading people.

Correct, my point was... using me as a reference.. you might as well start lol

[Xadion]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You accepted platinum from an account that was not only a known RMT mule, but also had the RMT'er logged into the account at the time you accepted the platinum. This is not someone who plays the game. The only thing they do is sell platinum.

In your specific situation, since you decided to call out my methods, you claim you powerleveld someone for a couple hours, and then they gave you platinum for it. Platinum you did not request, but was instead given to you out of the kindness of their heart.

In this scenario, I find it very unlikely someone purchased platinum with RL cash to give to you when they didn't need to.

We don't just ban people who get platinum for nothing. Stop misleading people.

You made it rough D-Man I was trying to hand out a few K of plat to noobs the otherday NO ONE WOULD TAKE IT and kept peitioning me...man its like you closed goodwill bro.

or something

/sarcasim

[daasgoot]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You accepted platinum from an account that was not only a known RMT mule, but also had the RMT'er logged into the account at the time you accepted the platinum. This is not someone who plays the game. The only thing they do is sell platinum.

In your specific situation, since you decided to call out my methods, you claim you powerleveld someone for a couple hours, and then they gave you platinum for it. Platinum you did not request, but was instead given to you out of the kindness of their heart.

In this scenario, I find it very unlikely someone purchased platinum with RL cash to give to you when they didn't need to.

We don't just ban people who get platinum for nothing. Stop misleading people.

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[Babayaaga]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You accepted platinum from an account that was not only a known RMT mule, but also had the RMT'er logged into the account at the time you accepted the platinum. This is not someone who plays the game. The only thing they do is sell platinum.

In your specific situation, since you decided to call out my methods, you claim you powerleveld someone for a couple hours, and then they gave you platinum for it. Platinum you did not request, but was instead given to you out of the kindness of their heart.

In this scenario, I find it very unlikely someone purchased platinum with RL cash to give to you when they didn't need to.

We don't just ban people who get platinum for nothing. Stop misleading people.

This justification actually has some of us very concerned. Some further elaboration is required.

You say that platinum was accepted from a known RMT mule. Known to whom, exactly? The players who do not engage in this activity would certainly never know. I for one, would not.

That said, what actions such as these have created is a blanket distrust of transactions in general... buying and selling in EC, giving away items to newbies (or accepting them), helping people with item transfers... the list goes on.

Hop into any guild channel and read to what people are saying. There is now some very real concern based on how this was handled.

I'm pretty sure I speak for a larger portion of the playerbase when I say that we are all for banning people who knowingly engage in this activity, but it is the ones who have been seemingly innocently affected that has created a new, perhaps unforeseen problem: misplaced distrust.

To us, it sounds like the situation you are replying to may have been one where someone was innocently affected. It is not unusual for a player to have a seller character in EC where most of their platinum is amassed. People help friends transfer between their mains, alts, and sell toons in EC all the time. It would seem perfectly logical to many people that when handling large, heavy volumes of plat (in the thousands), one is either going to have to visit a bank, or a storage alt.

What Derubel has outlined, however, is that because this "mule" was known, then they are guilty by association. My question is, where is the post that lists these "known" characters so we know who to avoid, and who we can once again trust?

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Babayaaga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This justification actually has some of us very concerned. Some further elaboration is required.

You say that platinum was accepted from a known RMT mule. Known to whom, exactly? The players who do not engage in this activity would certainly never know. I for one, would not.

That said, what actions such as these have created is a blanket distrust of transactions in general... buying and selling in EC, giving away items to newbies (or accepting them), helping people with item transfers... the list goes on.

Hop into any guild channel and read to what people are saying. There is now some very real concern based on how this was handled.

I'm pretty sure I speak for a larger portion of the playerbase when I say that we are all for banning people who knowingly engage in this activity, but it is the ones who have been seemingly innocently affected that has created a new, perhaps unforeseen problem: misplaced distrust.

To us, it sounds like the situation you are replying to may have been one where someone was innocently affected. It is not unusual for a player to have a seller character in EC where most of their platinum is amassed. People help friends transfer between their mains, alts, and sell toons in EC all the time. It would seem perfectly logical to many people that when handling large, heavy volumes of plat (in the thousands), one is either going to have to visit a bank, or a storage alt.

What Derubel has outlined, however, is that because this "mule" was known, then they are guilty by association. My question is, where is the post that lists these "known" characters so we know who to avoid, and who we can once again trust?

know u know what means 2 dudes get half banned guild[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Fysts]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You accepted platinum from an account that was not only a known RMT mule, but also had the RMT'er logged into the account at the time you accepted the platinum. This is not someone who plays the game. The only thing they do is sell platinum.

In your specific situation, since you decided to call out my methods, you claim you powerleveld someone for a couple hours, and then they gave you platinum for it. Platinum you did not request, but was instead given to you out of the kindness of their heart.

In this scenario, I find it very unlikely someone purchased platinum with RL cash to give to you when they didn't need to.

We don't just ban people who get platinum for nothing. Stop misleading people.

Not defending anyone, however, you are stereotyping peoples actions. I have personally given plat to people for helping me on my alts. They had no idea I had a top geared charecter or that I had over 500k in plat with nothing to spend it on. They never asked, but I rewarded their generosity with my own. So saying a person would never give plat unless asked, is a false statement. I have often paid porters 500plat for ports just to be nice. Sometimes people fail to realize alot of plat/money is all a basis on what you have. If i have 10 million plat, what is 100k, but if i have 100k plat 5k could be huge. Innocent until proven guilty. Undeniably guilty. No reasonable doubt. Just seems logical.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Fysts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not defending anyone, however, you are stereotyping peoples actions. I have personally given plat to people for helping me on my alts. They had no idea I had a top geared charecter or that I had over 500k in plat with nothing to spend it on. They never asked, but I rewarded their generosity with my own. So saying a person would never give plat unless asked, is a false statement. I have often paid porters 500plat for ports just to be nice. Sometimes people fail to realize alot of plat/money is all a basis on what you have. If i have 10 million plat, what is 100k, but if i have 100k plat 5k could be huge. Innocent until proven guilty. Undeniably guilty. No reasonable doubt. Just seems logical.

No he isn't stereo typing anyone or you would have already been banned. You must have missed the very first part of his statement where he said that the person he got plat from was a known RMTer. He accepted money, probably a little more than 500pp, from a [I]known[I] RMTer. Probably on more than one occasion too. Yes there are altruistic players that will give people plat just because they want to help out. Those arent the people getting banned. It's the people that are involved with known RMTers.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Fysts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not defending anyone, however, you are stereotyping peoples actions. I have personally given plat to people for helping me on my alts. They had no idea I had a top geared charecter or that I had over 500k in plat with nothing to spend it on. They never asked, but I rewarded their generosity with my own. So saying a person would never give plat unless asked, is a false statement. I have often paid porters 500plat for ports just to be nice. Sometimes people fail to realize alot of plat/money is all a basis on what you have. If i have 10 million plat, what is 100k, but if i have 100k plat 5k could be huge. Innocent until proven guilty. Undeniably guilty. No reasonable doubt. Just seems logical.

Totally missed the point of my post. We didn't just ban people who were handed plat by any random stranger. Not going to explain this again [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. If you're going to call out the way I investigate and ban for RMT, at least read about it before you tell me I'm wrong.

Also, how the fuck did this thread get necro'd and multi-bumped all in one day? They keep pulling me back in [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Buffet_Shammy]

And an RMT needs to farm the cash somehow don't they?

They cant dup it, you guys catch that instantly based on history.