@Sirken "a fair and legitimate chance at that target"

[Phantasm]

So say its 3AM and a mob spawns and no guild gets enough to successfully perform the encounter. Guild A gives the mob a shot, and ultimately fails. Guild B gets their shot, and is also unable to kill the target. What you're saying is Guild A/B are not allowed to work together to kill the target? What?

Maybe what you're trying to convey is say AG gets FTE on something and then Omni gets FTE on something else. In my eyes they are separate entities that convene to kill targets. What you're saying is ??? I don't even know.

[Zekayy]

This thread and gave me cancer now

[Pizoi]

Current rules are fine and fair. If the staff wants the smaller guilds to get more loot, all they need to do is do more quakes.

You can't come to the big boys with a tin cup in your filthy hands and expect us to just start giving away top raid targets. It takes a lot of effort to be a top raiding guild, it's absurd to expect some sort of even split of mobs or bag limit while only putting in 10% (being generous here) of the effort that we do.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Phantasm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So say its 3AM and a mob spawns and no guild gets enough to successfully perform the encounter. Guild A gives the mob a shot, and ultimately fails. Guild B gets their shot, and is also unable to kill the target. What you're saying is Guild A/B are not allowed to work together to kill the target? What?

Maybe what you're trying to convey is say AG gets FTE on something and then Omni gets FTE on something else. In my eyes they are separate entities that convene to kill targets. What you're saying is ??? I don't even know.

Easy to make an exception in this case, but when has it honestly been a reality?

The CSG combining for some kills but doing others alone has been a problem in the past. I don't think they have tried to split apart for anything in ToV though as they rarely try to really race for stuff.

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

could you give an example of a high end guild using an alt guild like this? Or even two guilds specifically connected like this? Certainly we could do something if manipulation like these were occurring.

not saying it is happening right now, just that it opens the door for it to occur. How would you police this? unless you expect the gms to check the IP for anyone who gets a FTE message? i mean sure its possible, but it seems like a lot of extra work.

Originally Posted by Zekayy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread and gave me cancer now

Seems like a real stupid thing to say, for you especially, zekay....

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by Pizoi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Current rules are fine and fair. If the staff wants the smaller guilds to get more loot, all they need to do is do more quakes.

You can't come to the big boys with a tin cup in your filthy hands and expect us to just start giving away top raid targets. It takes a lot of effort to be a top raiding guild, it's absurd to expect some sort of even split of mobs or bag limit while only putting in 10% (being generous here) of the effort that we do.

Holy shit, it's a Pizoi

[wrighter00]

Originally Posted by Pizoi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Current rules are fine and fair. If the staff wants the smaller guilds to get more loot, all they need to do is do more quakes.

You can't come to the big boys with a tin cup in your filthy hands and expect us to just start giving away top raid targets. It takes a lot of effort to be a top raiding guild, it's absurd to expect some sort of even split of mobs or bag limit while only putting in 10% (being generous here) of the effort that we do.

I mean... What exactly do you think you put effort into other than FTE races? Did you buy into the exclusive rights to the program coding for ownership of these mobs? In a scenario where FTE races aren't occurring like some people are suggesting, what effort do you think you're putting in? By the basics of the mechanics of the raid targets themselves, you do nothing more capable than any other guild/alliance. STAHP with the "how great are we tho!' No one is telling you to sit at a race line or track targets for an absurd amount of time, bat phone, and feel pressured to mobilize asap except yourselves. That's the whole point some people are making. You don't have to do that so it's a moot point.

Honestly, who gives a hoot if multiple guilds want to work together. Some guilds who want to compete, but wont play on a PvP server, are killing any chance of pick up raid activity or togetherness on a PvE server. You're debating FTE rules, and that's it. Just let people help each other in peace and stop trying to force them to hate and screw each other over or forfeit mobs. Just let the mob go.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The CSG combining for some kills but doing others alone has been a problem in the past. I don't think they have tried to split apart for anything in ToV though as they rarely try to really race for stuff.

what server do you play on? On p99 blue i have 10+ people every week from AG alone in ToV racing/tracking...almost without exception.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by wrighter00 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean... What exactly do you think you put effort into other than FTE races? Did you buy into the exclusive rights to the program coding for ownership of these mobs? In a scenario where FTE races aren't occurring like some people are suggesting, what effort do you think you're putting in? By the basics of the mechanics of the raid targets themselves, you do nothing more capable than any other guild/alliance. STAHP with the "how great are we tho!' No one is telling you to sit at a race line or track targets for an absurd amount of time, bat phone, and feel pressured to mobilize asap except yourselves. That's the whole point some people are making. You don't have to do that so it's a moot point.

Honestly, who gives a hoot if multiple guilds want to work together. Some guilds who want to compete, but wont play on a PvP server, are killing any chance of pick up raid activity or togetherness on a PvE server. You're debating FTE rules, and that's it. Just let people help each other in peace and stop trying to force them to hate and screw each other over or forfeit mobs. Just let the mob go.

If the mechanics of an encounter are all you ever have to worry about then what would be the point? Killing something that isn't contested is nothing special. I don't play on phinny because just experiencing the content isn't the point. If all you're interested in is doing something you did 15 years ago again for the feels then there are plenty of servers where you don't need to compete to do that.

There were some rotations on live but most of them weren't inclusive to the entire server either. I know on xev for instance Ntov went to whoever killed aary, which meant you had 3-4 guilds racing to kill aary. While it wasn't an FTE race it was still a race and a competition.

On P99 being able to beat the mechanics of an encounter is 10% of the battle, securing the mob is the real fight.

[Zekayy]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Easy to make an exception in this case, but when has it honestly been a reality?

The CSG combining for some kills but doing others alone has been a problem in the past. I don't think they have tried to split apart for anything in ToV though as they rarely try to really race for stuff.



not saying it is happening right now, just that it opens the door for it to occur. How would you police this? unless you expect the gms to check the IP for anyone who gets a FTE message? i mean sure its possible, but it seems like a lot of extra work.



Seems like a real stupid thing to say, for you especially, zekay....

Auto correct -_- hate being on mobile

[wrighter00]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the mechanics of an encounter are all you ever have to worry about then what would be the point? Killing something that isn't contested is nothing special. I don't play on phinny because just experiencing the content isn't the point. If all you're interested in is doing something you did 15 years ago again for the feels then there are plenty of servers where you don't need to compete to do that.

There were some rotations on live but most of them weren't inclusive to the entire server either. I know on xev for instance Ntov went to whoever killed aary, which meant you had 3-4 guilds racing to kill aary. While it wasn't an FTE race it was still a race and a competition.

On P99 being able to beat the mechanics of an encounter is 10% of the battle, securing the mob is the real fight.

Not raiding. That sounds like the First person shooter crowd mentality. You're saying the raid itself doesn't matter, and asking me what's the point of playing? I'm actually stumped... Just wow.

I guess we can relate a little bit. Although I never played live during this Era, (hence being here) I've been on this server no more than 2 years, and took a 5 month hiatus. There is very little my Druid needs other than obsessing over minor stat changes and maybe a Flowing thought item from CT. On the same note, what's the point of racing people for raid targets? I don't gain any satisfaction from that whatsoever. /shrug

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