Green should disallow GINA

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Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

MacroQuest, boxing or RMT don't ruin other people experience any more than GINA, yet they are forbidden.

Macroquesting allows for automation which GINA does not do and has been against ToS since inception, boxing and RMT I honestly don't have an opinion on. I understand the rules against it but I really couldn't care less what someone does with their money. But enough whataboutism. I still don't see why there is a fear that GINA somehow makes the game unfavorably tilted. Sure, spawn timers, but before I used GINA I just set them on my phone.

[kylok]

I still set timers on my phone, can't be bothered to set up these parsing programs.

[Glasken]

Originally Posted by kylok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Boxing probably doesn't ruin the experience too much -

I would argue that boxing and RMT, and especially the two combined, truly ruin experiences for other people.

Go play any TLP server on live. Go see the boxer swarms on WoW. Both tend to lead to RMT for accounts and items, and they tend to not give a single fuck for anyone else in the game that might get in the way to their making a buck. On a server with no instances or layering the impact is magnified. There are even programs to help you run an entire raid all by yourself, 5-40 accounts all linked and synchronized.

Boxing 1-3 accounts isnt quite as bad, but still stifles interaction, and can be a gateway to boxing an entire group, especially as you end up searching for programs to assist your experience and make boxing more efficient.

I write this as someone who -really- enjoys boxing in EQ. Unlike WoW, the slower pace of EQ combat really lends itself well to boxing 1-3 characters without the need for extra addons or background software. More over, it makes leveling very efficient. Enchanter, Mage, Cleric is a particularly nice combination. I find it very fun, very rewarding, and still use the boxes in groups.

But. People don't stop at 2-boxing or 3-boxing. And full groups and even swarms are a real thing, and allowing it here will crush your dreams of dragons and gods and pixels.

I prefer P99s method. Once you allow boxing it will cause many more problems than the CSRs here will ever be able to solve or enforce.

GINA, and its ilk, are nothing at all like this in terms of community disruption or in the scope of its impact on others. In fact, I would say it's no more disruptive than someone assigning a /pet report command to every movement key.


Now, rather than whining about GINA or other log readers, lets focus on the real issues here, like how my dark elf cant walk through Neriak 3rd gate without the aid of a light source because it's so god damned dark that entire walls and floors go black, all while a giant illusion demon is looking me in the face bright as the noon day sun.

[Deathrydar]

What is GINA?

[Chryorn]

Phone is too inconvenient. I like to have them on screen.

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[Glasken]

Originally Posted by Chryorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Phone is too inconvenient. I like to have them on screen.

https://imgur.com/a/6c4z70n

I love this. Now, can you make one to pick up death notifications and start your desired timer automatically? I'd like to have at least a 30 second window to get into position before the next spawn. Also this crucified froglok is gonna get burned into my screen if it doesn't drop an FBSS soon.

[kylok]

Originally Posted by Glasken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would argue that boxing and RMT, and especially the two combined, truly ruin experiences for other people.

Go play any TLP server on live. Go see the boxer swarms on WoW. Both tend to lead to RMT for accounts and items, and they tend to not give a single fuck for anyone else in the game that might get in the way to their making a buck. On a server with no instances or layering the impact is magnified. There are even programs to help you run an entire raid all by yourself, 5-40 accounts all linked and synchronized.

Boxing 1-3 accounts isnt quite as bad, but still stifles interaction, and can be a gateway to boxing an entire group, especially as you end up searching for programs to assist your experience and make boxing more efficient.

I write this as someone who -really- enjoys boxing in EQ. Unlike WoW, the slower pace of EQ combat really lends itself well to boxing 1-3 characters without the need for extra addons or background software. More over, it makes leveling very efficient. Enchanter, Mage, Cleric is a particularly nice combination. I find it very fun, very rewarding, and still use the boxes in groups.

But. People don't stop at 2-boxing or 3-boxing. And full groups and even swarms are a real thing, and allowing it here will crush your dreams of dragons and gods and pixels.

I prefer P99s method. Once you allow boxing it will cause many more problems than the CSRs here will ever be able to solve or enforce.

GINA, and its ilk, are nothing at all like this in terms of community disruption or in the scope of its impact on others. In fact, I would say it's no more disruptive than someone assigning a /pet report command to every movement key.


Now, rather than whining about GINA or other log readers, lets focus on the real issues here, like how my dark elf cant walk through Neriak 3rd gate without the aid of a light source because it's so god damned dark that entire walls and floors go black, all while a giant illusion demon is looking me in the face bright as the noon day sun.

I agree with all of this. Good post.

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Originally Posted by Chryorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Phone is too inconvenient. I like to have them on screen.

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Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't like the git gud mentality. It has no place in a healthy community. I apologize if I came off that way.

GiT GuD

[Bazia]

why did staff even bother to remove buff timers if everyone was gonna use GINA literally inside their UIs to get buff timers anyway