[Serious] Lets talk Top raiding guilds and their behavior

[Baler]

Rotations kill server population. On paper it looks great, oh boy a fair chance at some raid loot. But in practice it hurts the servers population.

It's not the answer, TAKP does rotations and raiders only log in when it's their turn to kill a target.

New players will have a harder time finding group because the overall pop will be lower.
There are multiple bad endings to a rotation this is just one of them.
I damn well know some of you will be on here making fun of p99 if it suddenly dropped to 200-500 avg pop. Saying things like 'dead server' but you're the ones who killed it. Disgusting.

ps. I use to be for rotations until I saw the affect they have on a servers population. I can't say this enough.

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TL/DR- If you want a rotation, play a single player game. It will be the same experience.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rotations kill server population. On paper it looks great, oh boy a fair chance at some raid loot. But in practice it hurts the servers population.

It's not the answer, TAKP does rotations and raiders only log in when it's their turn to kill a target.

New players will have a harder time finding group because the overall pop will be lower. There are multiple bad endings to a rotation this is just one of them.

ps. I use to be for rotations until I saw the affect they have on a servers population. I can't say this enough.

I'm not arguing the point but do you have data to back up the stance?

Thats pretty much how p99 is now is why I ask... pop days have much higher numbers than others

[Baler]

Originally Posted by MarauderOHHYEAH [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats pretty much how p99 is now is why I ask... pop days have much higher numbers than others

That is not how P99 is now. Multiple guilds log in to try and FTE for a target in a competitive and large scale fashion. You could have 200+ people in 1 zone on p99 across multiple guilds.

With a rotation you won't even have half that number. There is no reason for any other guild to be online if it's not their turn to kill the target.

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I agree to a point, there are some people who play p99 that only log on for raiding. But they do not factor into the best solution formula because they fall into the rotation flaws category as well.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

I mean... there's the game...

At most we would lose 160ish? On pop days? I think that's how many rito or ag/f have

I'm against serverwide rotations btw

[Psyborg]

Rotations also kill the need for a lot of the raiding infrastructure that requires people to log in during the week. Alts/bots, idols, scepters, plat for recharges, etc. All that stuff goes away or is largely made redundant with rotations. I wish Riot would just drop that altogether from their proposal.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by MarauderOHHYEAH [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The rules do effect us even if we are in ToV on quakes only... unless these rules are for natural respawns only... and there will be a second set for quakes

AG/F/R are NOT making new server RULES, they are coming up with an agreement that all three can abide by. the GM's are making new server rules, in case people pull out of the agreement, and for those that dont want to join. And the way you say that makes me feel like you think you shouldnt be held to the same rules , in the same zone, as everyone else in said zone is. Why is this? Because you didnt help create them? So does that mean you feel you shouldnt have to abide by the PnP? Or were you a part of making those rules too? How about the other raid rules? Do you not follow them because your input was not taken into account?

ONLY THE GM'S ARE MAKING RULES, NONE OF THE GUILDS ARE, RELAX.

[Baler]

Technically your guild agreeing to a player agreement is binding.
So in a sense, they could be seen as rules. Once the staff put a player agreement in place.

But they are not set in stone like the rules and pnp are. Rules and the PNP are the backbone. These player agreements are a requirement for adults to play nicely together.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Technically your guild agreeing to a player agreement is binding.
So in a sense, they could be seen as rules. Once the staff put a player agreement in place.

But they are not set in stone like the rules and pnp are. Rules and the PNP are the backbone. These player agreements are a requirement for adults to play nicely together.

its been made clear, i feel, that the GM's are not holding you to the agreement after youve entered it though. As in, you can remove yourself from it with proper notice. And, no guild other than AG/F/R has to agree to this agreement that they are coming up with.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Technically your guild agreeing to a player agreement is binding.
So in a sense, they could be seen as rules. Once the staff put a player agreement in place.

But they are not set in stone like the rules and pnp are. Rules and the PNP are the backbone. These player agreements are a requirement for adults to play nicely together.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

They are also coming up with new rules that will be in place when these rotations and agreements inevitably fail... those are what we want a say in