ban on assault weapons and 10 round clip limit

[Harmonium]

how does his assertion that

"obviously the (Second) amendment does not apply to arms that
cannot be hand-carried."

trump anything I posted?

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Harmonium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's what the Oregon Supreme Court "thinks"

It also goes on to logically address why they didn't just say "fire arms"

Because the second amendment also lets me have a knife. or a club.

the term "firearm" is too narrow for the intended use in the second amendment.

Have i broken it down enough for you or do you want to be spoon fed some more?

And I told you what Justice Scalia of the US Supreme Court thinks.

None of which tells me:

What "arms" am I allowed to bear under the Constitution.

The Oregon Court may think that's what applies to Oregon, because they say destructive devices aren't constitutionally protected when they are. Maybe people in Oregon can't use them.

[Faron]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you. that was what I said.

Is someone arguing that the term "arms" doesn't also include guns? I don't even know what's going on in this thread anymore.

[Harmonium]

there is a difference, in that you posted an individuals thoughts. I posted a judiciary bodies thoughts.

So really now. what IS your point? stop beating around the bush.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Harmonium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nice straw man fallacy. I think you are the only one trying to say that the second amendment means we can have FIM-92 Stingers.

Please display a higher level of comprehension for continued discourse.

Let's go back to basics.

Does the Constitution prohibit me from having this weapon?

If it DOES, that means the second amendment is open to legislation and interpretation. If it DOES NOT than we have to view the second amendment as sacrosanct.

If the Constitution is OPEN to legislation, we the people have the right to decide what weapons can and can't be used...including "assault-style" weaponry.

If it ISN'T OPEN to legislation we can pretty much carry whatever the fuck we want, because the Second Amendment is sacrosanct.

Thank you Harm...and a few others, for making the actual point I wanted to make.

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[Harmonium]

Originally Posted by Faron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is someone arguing that the term "arms" doesn't also include guns? I don't even know what's going on in this thread anymore.

I think he's trying to understand what the second amendment allows him to carry beyond firearms. ie grenades, rockets, missiles, nukes et al.

[Faron]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the Constitution is OPEN to legislation, we the people have the right to decide what weapons can and can't be used...including "assault-style" weaponry.

Of course it is, hence the term AMENDMENT.

[Harmonium]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's go back to basics.

Does the Constitution prohibit me from having this weapon?

If it DOES, that means the second amendment is open to legislation and interpretation. If it DOES NOT than we have to view the second amendment as sacrosanct.

If the Constitution is OPEN to legislation, we the people have the right to decide what weapons can and can't be used...including "assault-style" weaponry.

If it ISN'T OPEN to legislation we can pretty much carry whatever the fuck we want, because the Second Amendment is sacrosanct.

Thank you Harm...and a few others, for making the actual point I wanted to make.

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The underlined, i think is very clearly saying that this isn't up for the type of legislation that would prevent an individual from carrying any knife, gun, or pistol.

I think that if you want to destroy this country, try and disarm the people. I personally can't think of a more effective way to start a civil war.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Faron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course it is, hence the term AMENDMENT.

Praise Lord Jesus.

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[Lexical]

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Praise Lord Jesus.

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Certain parts of the constitution are open for legislation. Others are not. For example, the 13th amendment. The 2nd amendment has a very strong case to fall under this group.