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Old 06-05-2022, 04:32 PM
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Do you reckon you'd be killed?
The people would hold all the power, all the power is in the thumb print of the voter

the government won't have a figurehead, no supreme leader, no president, no king, no party chairman.

issues would go to vote, and of course these issues would have to be presented in a votable manner, thusly, a rotating comission of lets call them, "issue presenters" will be elected, several per state, not territory (because gerrymandering). Term limits are 3 years, after elected, you cannot be elected again. No lifetime "issue presenters"

And again, this is basically change.org. All issues that earn enough popular support will be presented to voters, with absolute 100% transparency. Every bit and byte of software used in this system will be publicy available for scrutiny.

If you wanna be corrupt, then find another country. Here in my America, everyone from the doctor to lawyer to garbage man to homeless woman, race, gender, class, whatever, has an equal say in what happens here.

So, who would want to kill me? who could kill me? If you had a problem with the system, you would have to kill yourself, because YOU are the government.

This is democracy that nobody can abuse. This is communism that nobody can warp for their own interests.

This is pure absolute majority rule. You are the citizen, and You are the government.
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Old 06-05-2022, 04:36 PM
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The people would hold all the power, all the power is in the thumb print of the voter

the government won't have a figurehead, no supreme leader, no president, no king, no party chairman.

issues would go to vote, and of course these issues would have to be presented in a votable manner, thusly, a rotating comission of lets call them, "issue presenters" will be elected, several per state, not territory (because gerrymandering). Term limits are 3 years, after elected, you cannot be elected again. No lifetime "issue presenters"

And again, this is basically change.org. All issues that earn enough popular support will be presented to voters, with absolute 100% transparency. Every bit and byte of software used in this system will be publicy available for scrutiny.

If you wanna be corrupt, then find another country. Here in my America, everyone from the doctor to lawyer to garbage man to homeless woman, race, gender, class, whatever, has an equal say in what happens here.

So, who would want to kill me? who could kill me? If you had a problem with the system, you would have to kill yourself, because YOU are the government.

This is democracy that nobody can abuse. This is communism that nobody can warp for their own interests.

This is pure absolute majority rule. You are the citizen, and You are the government.
Can I get a yes or no?
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Old 06-05-2022, 05:01 PM
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Can I get a yes or no?
no i dont reckon i am likely to be killed for proposing a new and radical form of government.

like I would have to actually write this up in some professional and legal manner, say a manifesto, and by the time someone actually got around to putting it into action, I am probably long dead of natural causes.

If some movement sprung up overnight, and I became the face of it then yeah there are thousands perhaps millions of people with alot to lose if this form of govt came to be, and they would absolutely try to have me "Clinton'd"

I'm willing to face that threat.

just saying it now: I will not kill myself, I am happy, I am healthy, and I intend to live a very very very long time. So if I die under circumstances less than old age, then be sure that somebody paid alot of money to get rid of me.
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Old 06-05-2022, 05:12 PM
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no i dont reckon i am likely to be killed for proposing a new and radical form of government.

like I would have to actually write this up in some professional and legal manner, say a manifesto, and by the time someone actually got around to putting it into action, I am probably long dead of natural causes.

If some movement sprung up overnight, and I became the face of it then yeah there are thousands perhaps millions of people with alot to lose if this form of govt came to be, and they would absolutely try to have me "Clinton'd"

I'm willing to face that threat.

just saying it now: I will not kill myself, I am happy, I am healthy, and I intend to live a very very very long time. So if I die under circumstances less than old age, then be sure that somebody paid alot of money to get rid of me.
No I mean if your idea was implemented. Do you reckon you'd be killed under that system?
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Old 06-05-2022, 05:29 PM
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No I mean if your idea was implemented. Do you reckon you'd be killed under that system?
maybe. if enough people voted for it? im not a public figure, it would be tough for my enemies to convince half the nation that I need to be executed.

this would be clearer after the nation has completed it's voting on criminal codes. That's gonna take awhile for sure.

I couldn't speak as to whether or not this system of gov't would vote for my death, that's up to the people.

I would only ask that my death be quick as it is spectacular. Like in the movie Scarface where they hung that guy from a helicopter. That's definitely one way I would like to go.
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Old 06-05-2022, 05:34 PM
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There was some borg transparent government bio id collectivist movement back b4 obama2 it didn't catch. It was quite popular among the nerdiest transhumanists deep internet circles tho. The kinda ppl who where trying to develop software tools to take over the world. Which really stemmed from some failed communist experiments with origins in the 70s.

They probably gave up on it and just created the modern Propoganda tools used to pump garbage into social media networks now. Turned from whiteheads to black when no one wanted their cool progressive transparency collaborative nerd stuff.

Zuck was probably friends with a lot of em.
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Old 06-05-2022, 05:44 PM
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There was some borg transparent government bio id collectivist movement back b4 obama2 it didn't catch. It was quite popular among the nerdiest transhumanists deep internet circles tho. The kinda ppl who where trying to develop software tools to take over the world. Which really stemmed from some failed communist experiments with origins in the 70s.

They probably gave up on it and just created the modern Propoganda tools used to pump garbage into social media networks now. Turned from whiteheads to black when no one wanted their cool progressive transparency collaborative nerd stuff.

Zuck was probably friends with a lot of em.
Back in the day, i rooted against the borg.

These days, I would volunteer for assimiliation. Those guys, I mean they, err, those things, whatever, they know how to run a society. No money, no politics, no individuality, no free will, only a singular laser focus on advancing their own technology.

screw you 7of9 thinkin' you're better than us, at least 3of5 had the good sense to return to the hive.
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Old 06-05-2022, 06:28 PM
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I think without borg technology or some heavy drug regime to reduce individuality and free will its still doomed to fail.

The great ponzi schema is still best for now even tho I really don't enjoy it personally.
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Old 06-05-2022, 07:07 PM
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I think without borg technology or some heavy drug regime to reduce individuality and free will its still doomed to fail.

The great ponzi schema is still best for now even tho I really don't enjoy it personally.
drugs aren't gonna work, nobody ever has exactly the same effect as another person.

what they gotta do is CRISPR engineer a new and sub-serviant species, which I would bet my life, is already in the works.

nobody is gonna use tech like CRISPR to cure cancer lol, treatments are billions in yearly revenue from cancer alone.

They will absolutely 100% use CRISPR to engineer designer humans. Some nations, especially china, are already doing this. The first designer babies have already been born.
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Old 06-05-2022, 07:30 PM
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drugs aren't gonna work, nobody ever has exactly the same effect as another person.

what they gotta do is CRISPR engineer a new and sub-serviant species, which I would bet my life, is already in the works.

nobody is gonna use tech like CRISPR to cure cancer lol, treatments are billions in yearly revenue from cancer alone.

They will absolutely 100% use CRISPR to engineer designer humans. Some nations, especially china, are already doing this. The first designer babies have already been born.
Yeah.

Drugs version was a fun scifi story. You're right tho in there always being outliers, not fully effective in everyone.

The MiB guys are drug enhanced and slightly augmented in Deus Ex too. I loved it.
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