Class R

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I leveled one character from 0 to 60 and had a Robe of the Azure sky, Cloak of Peity, Dragon Hero Bracer, Staff of Null, Bo Staff of Trorsmang, Shield of Rainbow Hues, Skullcrusher of Kragg, and various other sky loots in under a year of raiding. Your idea of what a person can earn in a raiding guild is flawed. I mean if you put in the time you get rewarded.

dat path of least resistance

[Reguiy]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I leveled one character from 0 to 60 and had a Robe of the Azure sky, Cloak of Peity, Dragon Hero Bracer, Staff of Null, Bo Staff of Trorsmang, Shield of Rainbow Hues, Skullcrusher of Kragg, and various other sky loots in under a year of raiding. Your idea of what a person can earn in a raiding guild is flawed. I mean if you put in the time you get rewarded.

Step 1: Set up a mini fridge and microwave within arms reach of your computer.
Step 2: Take a trip to Costco and buy an many hotpockets as possible (Note: only do this once and buy as many hotpockets as possible as multiple trips will result lost time you could be tracking.
Step 3: Join TMO or IB
Step 4: Forfeit any sort of social life, sleep schedule and/or hobbies you may have and spend every waking hour you're not at work sitting at your computer and tracking/raiding/sucking guild leader's epeens.
Step 5: Fulfill your life goal of obtaining a Crown of Rile on everquest emulated server

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dat path of least resistance

Least resistance ? You mean the one where I competed with other guilds for the mobs ?So the path I should have chosen is the one where your guild officers refuse to compete and never see the mobs period ?

Or in other words the path of self-inflicted resistance.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Reguiy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Step 1: Set up a mini fridge and microwave within arms reach of your computer.
Step 2: Take a trip to Costco and buy an many hotpockets as possible (Note: only do this once and buy as many hotpockets as possible as multiple trips will result lost time you could be tracking.
Step 3: Join TMO or IB
Step 4: Forfeit any sort of social life, sleep schedule and/or hobbies you may have and spend every waking hour you're not at work sitting at your computer and tracking/raiding/sucking guild leader's epeens.
Step 5: Fulfill your life goal of obtaining a Crown of Rile on everquest emulated server

It's rather easier than all that. Honestly the windows are 16 hours guys. Mobs rarely go their full windows. Do the math.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Reguiy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Step 1: Set up a mini fridge and microwave within arms reach of your computer.
Step 2: Take a trip to Costco and buy an many hotpockets as possible (Note: only do this once and buy as many hotpockets as possible as multiple trips will result lost time you could be tracking.
Step 3: Join TMO or IB
Step 4: Forfeit any sort of social life, sleep schedule and/or hobbies you may have and spend every waking hour you're not at work sitting at your computer and tracking/raiding/sucking guild leader's epeens.
Step 5: Fulfill your life goal of obtaining a Crown of Rile on everquest emulated server

No. That looks about right.

[nicemace]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry but the idea that none of the class R guilds can mobilize a force with a batphone is just ridiculous.

The idea that TMO/IB dominate because of numbers is seriously laughable. Do you guys not see how many class R guilds have huge amounts of people during earthquakes even at odd hours? Almost all of the class R guilds have batphones and huge rosters too.

He's right though. No class R guilds right now could beat TMO/IB in an actual race to Trak and it has nothing to do with numbers - it is because they are very practiced and can execute very fast and clean. If you don't see that, you are being delusional and should probably stop believing everything your leadership tells you.

thats not what i was saying. sure if you wanna call getting a force on at any time in a timely manner, skill.... well then go ahead, but ill let you in on a little secret. its not skill. its simply a bunch of people who are able to structure their lives to allow for them to do so, im not saying this is a bad thing, its just a fact that some people cant do that kind of shit anymore, there isnt anything difficult about it.

let me put it this way. if you had 2 teams with the exact same classes, the exact same numbers, the exact same levels and the exact same gear and the exact same coth setup... youre trying to say that TMO/IB would beat out the other guilds 9 times out of 10? thats laughable lol. the only difference is gear and their ability to mobilize. of course they are gonna win all the times because they have a straight up advantage. im not talking zerg numbers, im talking just straight up getting /enough/ numbers there to get started. again. if you wanna call this skill, then yeah sure ill give you that they can organise well, but any man and his dog can do it provided they have the time and the resources.

and ps im not part of a competing guild. but was part of DA back in the DA/IB days so im well versed in all the raiding bullshit.

[Servellious]

Originally Posted by nicemace [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thats not what i was saying. sure if you wanna call getting a force on at any time in a timely manner, skill.... well then go ahead, but ill let you in on a little secret. its not skill. its simply a bunch of people who are able to structure their lives to allow for them to do so, im not saying this is a bad thing, its just a fact that some people cant do that kind of shit anymore, there isnt anything difficult about it.

let me put it this way. if you had 2 teams with the exact same classes, the exact same numbers, the exact same levels and the exact same gear and the exact same coth setup... youre trying to say that TMO/IB would beat out the other guilds 9 times out of 10? thats laughable lol. the only difference is gear and their ability to mobilize. of course they are gonna win all the times because they have a straight up advantage. im not talking zerg numbers, im talking just straight up getting /enough/ numbers there to get started. again. if you wanna call this skill, then yeah sure ill give you that they can organise well, but any man and his dog can do it provided they have the time and the resources.

and ps im not part of a competing guild. but was part of DA back in the DA/IB days so im well versed in all the raiding bullshit.

No TMO or ib would win 10/10 minus Coth ducking like they have been. Keep making excuses it's what people who can't win do. But I understand society is all about everyone winning these days anyway. Winners find a way losers make excuses

[Cecily]

It's having the gear to do it. I don't mean VP stuff. I mean sky, JC, 1 group stuff.
It's having the people to do it. Raids operate on a 24/7 basis here and that's super hard to manage.
It's having the knowledge of how to do it. Strats that are basic raiding now were pioneered and perfected for P99's raiding environment and changed on the fly as mechanics and rules changed.
And finally, it's doing it. This has been what we now refer to as class R's biggest hang up.

So I guess raiding skill, if you wanna call it that, is preparation, understanding, and execution. Mainly due to experience, the raiding guilds are better at all of these things, but more casual guild have had alot of time to get the big one done, preparation, since the P99 timeline is so borked.

I do think it's a shame that not more guilds are willing to participate in class C, but FFA provides a unique opportunity for smaller guilds to show up the people who are apparently pros at this raid thing here and there. It makes me so happy every time Taken or BDA steals a mob from class C.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by nicemace [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

youre trying to say that TMO/IB would beat out the other guilds 9 times out of 10? thats laughable lol.

If the target is an outdoor dragon, then no. If its a more complicated encounter, then I would say 10/10 except for the fact that after 5-6 tries the R guild would start figuring some stuff out.

I don't think TMO/IB really have vastly superior players, but they have a lot more experience.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the target is an outdoor dragon, then no. If its a more complicated encounter, then I would say 10/10 except for the fact that after 5-6 tries the R guild would start figuring some stuff out.

I don't think TMO/IB really have vastly superior players, but they have a lot more experience.

I was simply talking about trakanon. Hes an easy dragon, and any class r guild can kill him, sure. But throw in snap decisions, no time to clear anything, engaging with less than 10 people more often than not and you got yourself a whole different ballgame.