Sky - Overseer of Air

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Expediency [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If people would leave the OOAs up, there would be sufficient nobles every week for a your day/your noble agreement.

You need to get Rustle to agree to YDYN before you bring it up again as an option. Hint: It's never going to happen.

Originally Posted by Expediency [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If sky does become a free for all the weaker guilds will suffer first

Not exactly. I'm going to laugh at guilds focusing on Sky over Velious content more than a day a week.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Expediency [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If people would leave the OOAs up, there would be sufficient nobles every week for a your day/your noble agreement. Even without the agreement there would be a lot of nobles each week which is a bigger pie for everyone to try to get a slice. Right now there is only one piece of pie and it will remain highly contested by csg/rustle/a/a since they all have to split one per week.

Killing the OOAs because guild X screwed you once might screw guild X a tiny bit but it screws all others equally. It also generates bad blood, as this thread is showing. Sky will rapidly become a free for all if people can not follow simple rules like "dont kill mobs when it isnt your day" or "leave OOAs up so a noble spawns every day."

If sky does become a free for all the weaker guilds will suffer first and one of the only prescheduled raids on p99 will be eliminated. I personally will not participate in killing OOAs. Removing a community resource because you're mad at someone is a jerk move and contributes to a lawless environment.

Let's see, 14 sky slots vs a total of 7-8 nobles a week if all OOAs are left up? Someone can't do the math

[Sancta]

Originally Posted by Expediency [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If people would leave the OOAs up, there would be sufficient nobles every week for a your day/your noble agreement. Even without the agreement there would be a lot of nobles each week which is a bigger pie for everyone to try to get a slice. Right now there is only one piece of pie and it will remain highly contested by csg/rustle/a/a since they all have to split one per week.

Killing the OOAs because guild X screwed you once might screw guild X a tiny bit but it screws all others equally. It also generates bad blood, as this thread is showing. Sky will rapidly become a free for all if people can not follow simple rules like "dont kill mobs when it isnt your day" or "leave OOAs up so a noble spawns every day."

If sky does become a free for all the weaker guilds will suffer first and one of the only prescheduled raids on p99 will be eliminated. I personally will not participate in killing OOAs. Removing a community resource because you're mad at someone is a jerk move and contributes to a lawless environment.

I'm not sure if you've been following this thread (sarcasm), but there is no agreement being followed right now by the looks of it. Just guilds FFAing on their previously set days and going up on other guilds days.

[Expediency]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's see, 14 sky slots vs a total of 7-8 nobles a week if all OOAs are left up? Someone can't do the math

What math? That 7-8 >>>> 1???

I am aware there are more rotation slots than noble spawns. Its a solvable problem, any noble spawns during your 12 hour window and its yours. Any unclaimed slots can stay FFA. Over time statistics evens things out. You could have thought of this solution yourself if you had any intention of contributing to a solution instead of trolling people who are trying to find common ground.

Originally Posted by Sancta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure if you've been following this thread (sarcasm), but there is no agreement being followed right now by the looks of it. Just guilds FFAing on their previously set days and going up on other guilds days.

Yeah, its going to get ugly if people start trying to spite each other. I have everything I want from sky but I do not want to see it become the wild west. The A/A guys are right to mock casuals who cant get their act together on such an easy and obvious solution (two sky raids per day, on rotation)

Letting the world burn on noble spawns/ooa is one thing, but casual guilds are totally mad to avoid the rotation agreements. I'm glad I have what I want because this will be a shitshow

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Sancta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure if you've been following this thread (sarcasm), but there is no agreement being followed right now by the looks of it. Just guilds FFAing on their previously set days and going up on other guilds days.

It's mostly AG and Rustle.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Expediency [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What math? That 7-8 >>>> 1???

I am aware there are more rotation slots than noble spawns. Its a solvable problem, any noble spawns during your 12 hour window and its yours. Any unclaimed slots can stay FFA. Over time statistics evens things out. You could have thought of this solution yourself if you had any intention of contributing to a solution instead of trolling people who are trying to find common ground.

You are an idiot with a pipe dream.

[Fasttimes]

Rustle will agree to ydyn if it comes with an about 30k per week fee. Let us know how to collect.

[Expediency]

Originally Posted by Fasttimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rustle will agree to ydyn if it comes with an about 30k per week fee. Let us know how to collect.

It would be helpful to see an official statement from a rustle officer about their sky/ooa/noble policy. Officers from several other guilds have weighed in to say what they will or wont do. I find it hard to believe that rustle's official position is "let the world burn, we're going when we want and killing what we want" but anything is possible.

There's a lot of anon accounts and robots in this thread muddying the waters. If you or merkk are an officer and have already posted this please quote it because I missed it.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Expediency [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What math? That 7-8 >>>> 1???

I am aware there are more rotation slots than noble spawns. Its a solvable problem, any noble spawns during your 12 hour window and its yours. Any unclaimed slots can stay FFA. Over time statistics evens things out. You could have thought of this solution yourself if you had any intention of contributing to a solution instead of trolling people who are trying to find common ground.



Yeah, its going to get ugly if people start trying to spite each other. I have everything I want from sky but I do not want to see it become the wild west. The A/A guys are right to mock casuals who cant get their act together on such an easy and obvious solution (two sky raids per day, on rotation)

Letting the world burn on noble spawns/ooa is one thing, but casual guilds are totally mad to avoid the rotation agreements. I'm glad I have what I want because this will be a shitshow

You said there would be enough nobles for everyone, which is blatantly false. Nobles have a set respawn with no variance, they would go to the same rotation slots every single time.

I don't think you really understand statistics, maybe things would even out if there was a variance on them, but there isn't so your entire assumption is flawed. The same groups would get nobles every week, the same way that the Thursday sky people were getting screwed over and over again.

[Expediency]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You said there would be enough nobles for everyone, which is blatantly false. Nobles have a set respawn with no variance, they would go to the same rotation slots every single time.

I don't think you really understand statistics, maybe things would even out if there was a variance on them, but there isn't so your entire assumption is flawed. The same groups would get nobles every week, the same way that the Thursday sky people were getting screwed over and over again.

Firstly, I am looking for a framework that we can work with to get a general agreement. Its not going to be perfect on the first pitch, but at least I'm trying, many of you are just taking potshots without offering any constructive help. There has been a YDYN agreement in the past so the proof of concept is there.

Secondly, on the short term, the problem of non variance is an issue but it seems solvable if people are committed to a solution instead of a wild west scenario.

Lastly, the server is randomly reset/patched without us being able to predict it. If this scheme was implemented over a long enough period of time, it would absolutely work. The person who doesnt understand statistics is you.