Boxing

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Arclanz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fixed for ya Teeny

/agree Teeny.

Two boxing requires skill and actually playing character(s); powerleveling does not. Two-boxers have formed a lot of groups over the years; powerleveling has never formed a single group.

Hipocracy at its worst.

Do I give a shit if boxing is implemented? No. Do I abhor hipocracy, double-standards, etc.? Yes.

I understand people saying they want the 2 boxing because they want to play a group class, and their schedule may not permit enough time to find a group every time they log on, but thats something they just need to deal with. It's Everquest and thats how it is. This population is about as healthy as it can be right now as far as enough people playing without it being too overcrowded.

The people that would actually use boxing for good would be small compared to the annoyance of boxing from the hardcore players. The last thing we need is 2 people trying to clear Fear or Hate while boxing when there would be an entire guild wanting the opportunity.

For the few that can only log on for a half hour, guess what Everquest isn't for you, its not an instant gratification game. I understand wishing you had more time or wanting changes made so it can fit your play style but for the rest of the people who can play it more often, it can't change to a boxing game. There are downsides and upsides to both arguments, but the argument against boxing is way more legit and sound as far as the community as a whole.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Teeny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok well why not come inbetween, limit the amount of boxes to two, so that it at least allows people who play at non-peak hours a chance to play some of these group based classes so that the pop on the server isnt like 40% Necros/Mages.

When I say allow boxing, I don't want people to be able to box 6, id rather there be at least a limit on it, because yah boxing 6 would be dumb, boxing two on the other hand wouldn't discourage grouping at all imo.

As I just mentioned above yes that would make sense for the casual player but as soon as boxers got a hold of it, the game would get out of hand as far as open camps. There would be a 50 druid/cleric power leveling some class on every camp levels 1-30. Then the casual players trying to box with two characters that are the same level would be in worse condition then they currently are. This game takes a little time to travel, find groups, and get set up. That is just the way it is, finding groups isn't impossible right now. You should really just try to find the right guild. If you do this you can find people in your range leveling somewhere, and probably get a port to them. It might be hard trying to find a group in the zone you want every time, but you have to be flexible.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by Arclanz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fixed for ya Teeny

/agree Teeny.

Two boxing requires skill and actually playing character(s); powerleveling does not. Two-boxers have formed a lot of groups over the years; powerleveling has never formed a single group.

Hipocracy at its worst.

Do I give a shit if boxing is implemented? No. Do I abhor hipocracy, double-standards, etc.? Yes.

I don't expect someone who can't spell to understand simple logic. So I'll leave it at this for your teeny brains to grasp: P99's success is VERY LARGELY attributed to the fact it does not allow boxing. Boxing will flat-out destroy this server, its community, and sense of adherence to oldschool live.

[Teeny]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't expect someone who can't spell to understand simple logic. So I'll leave it at this for your teeny brains to grasp: P99's success is VERY LARGELY attributed to the fact it does not allow boxing. Boxing will flat-out destroy this server, its community, and sense of adherence to oldschool live.

Where is your proof to this statement? I see that all over this post, but you're just floating this idea. This server could have double the population, *not including boxes* if boxing was allowed even at a limited capacity. Just because you think it helps, doesn't mean its true, same can be said for my OPINION. Its an opinion, nothing more, the whole point is to voice our OPINION here. You must watch alot of fox news, your sense for the dramatic is amazing.

I also said, that waiting until kunark to do so would be the smartest, as the population right now wouldn't be able to support 2 boxing, there just wouldn't be enough camps, once kunark is out we will barely be able to fill most of the world then. The population may go up with kunark, I understand, but I do think adding 26 new zones, will stretch people out that much more, causing groups harder to find. This will help that.

What I'm saying is opinion about what I think will happen and nothing more, and what I'd like to see happen. As far as I'm concerned you guys who keep saying that it would ruin classic experience, I think your blind to the fact of how many couples played, how many people two boxed their wifes character in groups, etc etc. Boxing was a monstrous part of EQ live.

[quellren]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Boxing would just make everything camped, harder.

Mage can't solo this camp? 2box it. (when another person would come and group it, solo it, whatever)

It would effectively just make everything a solo camp. It's a ridiculously terrible move and will destroy the server.

PEQ sucks fat dick. You know why? Boxing entire groups.

PEQ may have its issues regarding multi-boxing but it's hardly going to destroy a server. At least with my insta-group I can see content and don't spend my life waiting on the table scraps of the poopsockers.
Let me ask you which is more of a crime:
some guy 6-boxing and farming a spawn (who might very well drop a bot to add you to the group)
OR
a necro (wearing an SMR) solo camping Magi. This necro just happened to have a druid 'friend who is AFK' hidden in the corner, who was green to me.
I actually saw this with my own eyes not terribly long ago.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and say it was simply an asshole place to PL someone. Either way, it's one guy locking down a highly sought after spawn and also has the ability to pass LORE loot to an on-site mule. So not only does this necro prevent me ( and the rest of a party) from exp'ing and getting loot, but since he already has an SMR, and he PL is a druid, he's just gonna inflate the economy by demanding a huge amount of pp for it to buy that druid a manastone. (which is probably only being made as a guild taxi)
The cynic in me says that when he's tired, he's just gonna silently pass off that camp to his guildie and the cycle is unbroken.

The way I see it, it doesn't matter whether you forbid boxing, or allow a whole freaking raid force from one PC. Unless you're in one of the 5-6 superguilds, just get comfy in your banded/bronze/SolRo quest armor, or learn to farm a pile of plat to buy that SMR.
Once Kunark hits, a good portion of the sought-after gear will simply be mediocre and not worth camping anymore.
At least as boxer I *could* join a party or raid by choosing the needed tool for the job out of my squad and not sit in perpetuity with the LFG tag on my name.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by quellren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PEQ may have its issues regarding multi-boxing but it's hardly going to destroy a server. At least with my insta-group I can see content and don't spend my life waiting on the table scraps of the poopsockers.
Let me ask you which is more of a crime:
some guy 6-boxing and farming a spawn (who might very well drop a bot to add you to the group)
OR
a necro (wearing an SMR) solo camping Magi. This necro just happened to have a druid 'friend who is AFK' hidden in the corner, who was green to me.
I actually saw this with my own eyes not terribly long ago.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and say it was simply an asshole place to PL someone. Either way, it's one guy locking down a highly sought after spawn and also has the ability to pass LORE loot to an on-site mule. So not only does this necro prevent me ( and the rest of a party) from exp'ing and getting loot, but since he already has an SMR, and he PL is a druid, he's just gonna inflate the economy by demanding a huge amount of pp for it to buy that druid a manastone. (which is probably only being made as a guild taxi)
The cynic in me says that when he's tired, he's just gonna silently pass off that camp to his guildie and the cycle is unbroken.

The way I see it, it doesn't matter whether you forbid boxing, or allow a whole freaking raid force from one PC. Unless you're in one of the 5-6 superguilds, just get comfy in your banded/bronze/SolRo quest armor, or learn to farm a pile of plat to buy that SMR.
Once Kunark hits, a good portion of the sought-after gear will simply be mediocre and not worth camping anymore.
At least as boxer I *could* join a party or raid by choosing the needed tool for the job out of my squad and not sit in perpetuity with the LFG tag on my name.

Why would boxing make this better? Then the necro with the SMR will just have 3 mules camped there afk. At least you can go get him banned right now for boxing. If the necro was forced to only have 1 character logged in he would leave since he has the smr, and the camp would be yours.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Teeny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where is your proof to this statement?

The proof is is the pudding, so to speak. P99 is THE most successful EQEMU server, ever. PEQ's population always hovers in the 300's it seems - at peak - and that population includes all the boxed accounts. And there's nothing really wrong with PEQ...except for the ability to attract new players...and I think boxing has a LOT to do with that.

I've also said once boxing is allowed, it becomes required in order to compete. MOTD: Bring your boxed "whatever" to the next raid, because we have more important things to worry about with the availability our live players.

This becomes even more true through Kunark and Velious, with the increased difficulty of encounters.

All in all, if it ain't broke...why fix it? The population continues to grow, we are nearing 1000+ at peak. I remember the days we were hollering at each other every time it broke 200. Which really wasn't all that long ago...six or seven months, maybe. When Kunark releases, I'll bet we more than double our current peak.

[Teeny]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The proof is is the pudding, so to speak. P99 is THE most successful EQEMU server, ever. PEQ's population always hovers in the 300's it seems - at peak - and that population includes all the boxed accounts. And there's nothing really wrong with PEQ...except for the ability to attract new players...and I think boxing has a LOT to do with that.

I've also said once boxing is allowed, it becomes required in order to compete. MOTD: Bring your boxed "whatever" to the next raid, because we have more important things to worry about with the availability our live players.

This becomes even more true through Kunark and Velious, with the increased difficulty of encounters.

All in all, if it ain't broke...why fix it? The population continues to grow, we are nearing 1000+ at peak. I remember the days we were hollering at each other every time it broke 200. Which really wasn't all that long ago...six or seven months, maybe. When Kunark releases, I'll bet we more than double our current peak.

Just because this is the most popular server has more to do with, the fact of the content moreso than the fact that they disallow boxing. I came back to experience old school gaming, nothing more.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Teeny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because this is the most popular server has more to do with, the fact of the content moreso than the fact that they disallow boxing

Prove it. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It goes back to what I said before. It ain't broke, and why fiddle with success? If boxing were allowed, I'd quit...period. I'm sure a lot of others feel that way, too.

[Teeny]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prove it. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It goes back to what I said before. It ain't broke, and why fiddle with success? If boxing were allowed, I'd quit...period. I'm sure a lot of others feel that way, too.

It is allowed, do you know how many people have "wives" or "roomates" on this server? Just because its masked, and a bunch of us, would rather not risk our account on doing something that isn't allowed. Rather than putting in for an IP exemption, I voice my opinion here, trying to argue for it.

I don't know how you want me to prove it? To whine on the forums and threaten to quit like your crowd? I don't need to do that, unlike you guys who will quit on a whim, I like this server and whether or not I get my way I'll continue to play.