Is warrior aggro greatly exaggerated?

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Nitestroke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I already flushed you, so I don't know why you coming back to the surface. Ur not all ears, ur all mouth. This is just an attempt to save face. I watched you page after page bragging about ur knowledge only to find out you use root regularly. After this long in such an old game its clear you are just stuck in your ways and blinded by your ego to improve. Seems like this reply was meant only to convince yourself that you aren't a newb. I hope it worked for your sake

Awwww the good old "I swear I'm better than you guys but I'm gonna write 3 whole paragraphs to tell you I can't be bothered to tell you". The insecure fatty in elementary school loved doing that.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

War Clr Enc because backstab pet.

this too, but also just the best blend of efficiency and chill with the ability to tackle really tough trio camps

although i will say from a PURE xp perspective its tough to beat a sweaty enc + necro in HS

[zelld52]

I'm back on page 21 to reiterate my point from page 1.

Warrior aggro is fine in exp groups. Big white damage from Reaver / fast 1hers is enough to pull aggro from a shaman who just slowed. Frostbringer is great for pulling aggro from rogues who don't evade, monks who don't feign, and the ranger who is using Call of Sky and not Jolt.

White damage + taunt is not as good as Flash of Light spam - which is top tier tank aggro spell - but it's serviceable in exp groups.

On raids, warriors need to build threat before DPS engages. That's how it was done on live 25 years ago, and that's how it's done today - except there's alot more of those Gragnar Scepters, and a LOT more warriors with the Koi spear / Red blade wombo combo.

Wakanda - if you're still out there - I'm sorry your thread got turned into this. But you know its just par for the p99 course.

[Nitestroke]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Awwww the good old "I swear I'm better than you guys but I'm gonna write 3 whole paragraphs to tell you I can't be bothered to tell you". The insecure fatty in elementary school loved doing that.

Says the guy that literally wrote a whole ass nothing burger wall of cope. You wrote a novel bro haha.
Also lmao at insecure fatty comment. Project harder newb. You have no idea how transparent you are it seems

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Nitestroke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He didnt say warriors are awesome because of taunt

He said taunt is "much needed" (after declaring snap aggro to be worthless) and his other reasoning for warriors being awesome was disciplines. Taunt is very bad against high level targets and disciplines don't exist until the 50's.

Originally Posted by Nitestroke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In ur first paragraph u seem to concede that you can kill tougher mobs with warrior, so I don't know how you think that wouldnt translate to higher kill rate and efficiency.

Both of these statements are incorrect. Trying to kill tougher things explicitly creates a lower kill rate, as it takes more time to kill them, and EQ's exp system does not provide a commensurate reward for the effort (not after the very early levels, that is). And as for Trio Challenge content, Enchanter + Enchanter + Cleric is the highest amount of raw power for a straight up fight (if good charm pets are available), but there's a lot of content that requires Feign Death pulls, so a Monk (or perhaps Necro/SK can work sometimes) is required for those.

If any Trio content exists where a Warrior might be needed, then it's going to be something where there are no good charm pets available and the target is unable to be slowed. Something like Stanos Herkanor, if he were theoretically killable by a Warrior + Cleric + DPS trio.

[Nitestroke]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He said taunt is "much needed" (after declaring snap aggro to be worthless) and his other reasoning for warriors being awesome was disciplines. Taunt is very bad against high level targets and disciplines don't exist until the 50's.



Both of these statements are incorrect. Trying to kill tougher things explicitly creates a lower kill rate, as it takes more time to kill them, and EQ's exp system does not provide a commensurate reward for the effort (not after the very early levels, that is). And as for Trio Challenge content, Enchanter + Enchanter + Cleric is the highest amount of raw power for a straight up fight (if good charm pets are available), but there's a lot of content that requires Feign Death pulls, so a Monk (or perhaps Necro/SK can work sometimes) is required for those.

If any Trio content exists where a Warrior might be needed, then it's going to be something where there are no good charm pets available and the target is unable to be slowed. Something like Stanos Herkanor, if he were theoretically killable by a Warrior + Cleric + DPS trio.

So more gaslighting and more strawmanning. Got it. You guys are so sad. All you're doing is failing to give niche one off examples of warrior not being an optimal third, I could do the same but its useless. You've already been flushed bro, you will just keep coming up to the surface no matter what to mend your wounded pride at looking like a total newb, you are no different than poor little deluded insecure fatty snaggles. Warrior has best stats for hp and ac. Yes that makes them the best tank, that makes them the best third for ench cleric. And taunt and disciplines is just overkill on the debate. Again, thanks for trying but you can save the energy for that exciting kc group where you must live permanently. Nice try tho sport.

[Nitestroke]

Also you have comprehension problems, taunt and disciplines were not his main arguments, they never were but you incessantly keep going back to that. Hyperfocus on it all u want but other ppl see it you are just too egotistical and low iq to concede. Good luck with that mentality

[Nitestroke]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He said taunt is "much needed" (after declaring snap aggro to be worthless) and his other reasoning for warriors being awesome was disciplines. Taunt is very bad against high level targets and disciplines don't exist until the 50's.



Both of these statements are incorrect. Trying to kill tougher things explicitly creates a lower kill rate, as it takes more time to kill them, and EQ's exp system does not provide a commensurate reward for the effort (not after the very early levels, that is). And as for Trio Challenge content, Enchanter + Enchanter + Cleric is the highest amount of raw power for a straight up fight (if good charm pets are available), but there's a lot of content that requires Feign Death pulls, so a Monk (or perhaps Necro/SK can work sometimes) is required for those.

If any Trio content exists where a Warrior might be needed, then it's going to be something where there are no good charm pets available and the target is unable to be slowed. Something like Stanos Herkanor, if he were theoretically killable by a Warrior + Cleric + DPS trio.

Also ur full of shit. 2 ench and cleric in any challenging scenario will result in way more deaths. Rng is just a matter of time. Why not 3 ench then? Ur way too low iq bro, to act like 2 ench pets isnt going to be a guaranteed death sentence sooner or later. I guess it would make sense in ur kc home tho where u don't really fight difficult mobs which is clearly your thing.
Btw this is coming from an enchanter main that can do things you never could. Give me a chance to prove it and I will

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Nitestroke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

taunt and disciplines were not his main arguments

Yes they were. It's right there in the post where he tries to claim a trio with a Warrior will be able to exp better or lock down more Howling Stones targets than a trio with a Monk.

Originally Posted by Nitestroke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warrior has best stats for hp and ac.

Monks take a bit less damage than Warriors (not counting discipline), plus they have Mend, and max HP is mostly irrelevant to group content.

Originally Posted by Nitestroke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2 ench and cleric in any challenging scenario will result in way more deaths.

No, it results in what's needed to kill some targets in the first place, since a great charm pet is more powerful than anything else in the game. Not every attempt will be successful but that's irrelevant to doing Challenge content.

Originally Posted by Nitestroke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why not 3 ench then?

Complete Heal creates more longevity than having a 3rd Enchanter. You seem a bit lost.

Originally Posted by Nitestroke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Give me a chance to prove it and I will

Wonderful! Let's see how many of the hardest targets you can kill in a Trio that includes a Warrior. Here's the starting list of targets to work on:

Western Wastes (3) : Mav Sapara , Jen Sapara , Mraaka
Plane of Growth (3) : Prince Thirneg , Guardian of Tunare , Guardian of Tunare (each of the two counts)
Kael Drakkel (8) : Dlammaz Stormslayer , Vkjen Thunderslayer , Velden Dragonbane , Sentinel Othkel , Sentinel Dragonbane , Sentinel Demek , Klraggek the Slayer , Irrek Bloodfist
Temple of Veeshan (33) : An ancient tigerclaw racnar , A tigerclaw racnar , A racnar (Temple of Veeshan) , A fiery guardian , A shimmer drake , Ymmeln , Tavekalem , Midayor , Krigara , Grozzmel , Essedera , Casalen , Meldikor the Windchaser , Zed`Renzicd , Yendilor the Cerulean Wing , Velcra`Dron , Sarek`Relan , Rlinf`Tae , Nir`Tan , Lurian , Kedrak , Kal`Vunar , Gra`Vloren , Dktan`Nirsl , Degta`Glis , Carx`Vean , Bryrym , Wel`Wnas , Nelaarn the Ebon Claw , Belijor the Emerald Eye , Ajorek the Crimson Fang , Malteor Flamecaller , Zemm

*Kithicor Forest (1) : General V`ghera
*The Hole (2) : Master Yael , Nortlav the Scalekeeper
*Plane of Fear (3) : An enraged golem , Fright , Dread
*Plane of Sky (4) : Keeper of Souls , Bazzzazzt , A greater sphinx , Eye of Veeshan
*City of Mist (1) : Lhranc
*Timorous Deep (1) : Faydedar
*Veeshan's Peak (10) : ( A Furious Guardian Wurm , Guardian wurm , A mature flame protector , A mature frost protector ) - each counts twice, must kill at different spawn points, ( A Racnar x2 , A lava drake x2 ) - must fight two at the same time

[Naethyn]

War Clr Enc in the hole during my early days. https://youtu.be/s3D2OYdg3WU?si=9efjmaWHZpCzcZKO