So how about that Zimmerman trial?

[Reapin]

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really not gonna argue with you when you continue your entire merit of my support of Zimmerman being entirely based on his skin colour.



I've explained my stance in supporting their party platform. You're stuck with 2 choices, and one party's platform is to disarm you and turn you into a slave as your head is beat open bouncing off a sidewalk.

Wake up!

You are already a slave.

[Karafa]

HBB, outside of quoting someone who is miles ahead of you in intelligence, what do you besides sit your fat ass at home and talk about how "terrible" our country is? I bet you're riddled in sweat just thinking about getting a Jack In the Box taco.

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have fun in an America where your heroes cowardly shoot people they're afraid of. Fist fighting a minor isn't even pathetic enough for you. You have to shoot the kid in the heart for it to be truly heroic enough for you.

"Oh, that dude across the street is scaring me. Yes, I am in fear for my life. Open season to kill people for whatever reason suits your fancy and claim that you were afraid!"

I'd love to see the Zimmerman standard be applied to a single person of color. For instance, a black woman in FL shot a warning shot against her ex-husband who just got out of prison for domestic abuse and kicked her fucking door down. She shot it into the ceiling, the judge dismissed her plea for "stand your ground," and she was sentenced to TWENTY YEARS for aggravated assault.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...stic-violence/

That's the pathetic thing about laws like this. It's totally up to individual discretion to even enforce it. "Hey, I like you or I identify with you in some way-- you don't deserve to be in prison!" But get a person like Rachel Jeantel on the stand, and suddenly the trial looks like she's being charged with a crime. This country's entire legal justice system is a total sham, and you're content because it's working in your favor. That's the definition of cowardice.

1.) I don't expect anything said here to sway your opinion even the slightest because you are firmly entrenched in your beliefs. That said...

2.) The Marissa Alexander incident was picked up by the liberal blog/website/news orgs and plastered everywhere as an example of racism and the SYG law. Unfortunately, much of what REALLY happened was lost in translation and you really have to do some google digging to find out what actually took place.

Here's an article with a different version of the events:
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...e-led-shooting

And another:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/annanorth/th...lexanders-reve

Of course you can question this, but I'd question your intelligence if you took the thinkprogress/huffpost versions at face value. Remember - Zimmerman was originally a white guy and in his 911 call said Trayvon was black without being asked.

3.) Self defense laws are pretty clear in most states, and to have a concealed weapon permit you are educated on what these laws are. You must be able to articulate that you were in fear of your life or great bodily harm.

In the Zimmerman case, the injuries on Zimmerman (and lack of injuries on Trayvon) and eyewitness testimony (another prosecution witness saying he saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman 'MMA ground and pound style') give credence to this claim.

What so many anti-Zimmerman sheep seem to think is that it was entirely *impossible* for Trayvon to be a stupid teenage punk (all evidence points that he was) who assaulted Zimmerman because he was being followed (not against the law, not grounds for assault) and paid the price for the viciousness of his assault.

He probably wouldn't have been shot if he just punched Zimmerman once, but that's not how teens fight these days. (and if he had been shot over a single punch Zimmerman would have no case and would have gone to jail)

4.) People die all the time. Black on black crime is at an outrageous rate yet nobody wants to address that. Black kids are getting shot all the time in urban areas. Where's your outrage there? Where are the lynch mobs calling for riots?

5.) If you really want to kill someone, you don't need to play some self-defense game, you can just kill someone randomly and have a much higher chance of getting away with it. This whole "OMG people are going to go around shooting eachother all the time using the self defense ploy!!!" is a red herring and frankly has been proven to be untrue and a complete non-issue.

Also, see #4.

Lastly - please just think. Use your head. I know you've been brainwashed by your peers/media/JonStewart/whatever for years, but coming here spewing a bunch of /r/politics garbage from reddit isn't very becoming.

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"In his report, Serino, who interviewed Zimmerman in the days following the shooting, wrote that in following Martin, Zimmerman's actions were "inconsistent with those of a person who has stated he was in fear of another subject." He wrote that Zimmerman had at least two opportunities to speak to the teen and "defuse the situation." He also noted that Zimmerman "failed to identify himself" as a concerned citizen or neighborhood watch member on two occasions that night.

According to the report, Serino recommended that Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter on March 13."

Serino also said that he believed Zimmerman was greatly exaggerating his injuries, and that they didn't appear to indicate a "life-or-death" scenario, especially since Trayvon didn't have a deadly weapon.

An ex-detective isn't a lie-detector test. Sometimes they get it. A lot of the times they miss liars and make mistakes. His personal opinion does not matter. The only reason it wasn't objected to and sustained was because Serino answered too quickly for the prosecution to effectively object. Otherwise, we wouldn't even have that piece of pseudo-evidence.

Remember when the judge ordered the jury to strike Serino saying, "I don't believe he was lying," from consideration? The freaking judge said that it was an inappropriate statement. Good lord, people~

/rolleyes

Cross-examination destroyed this testimony, as they've done with all of the prosecution testimonies, and have ended up benefitting Zimmermans case more than hurting it.

When asked, Serino said he thought the inconsistencies were insignificant, and the motion to strike Serino's statement regarding Zimmerman's truthfulness was made 17 hours later.

Stop cherry-picking. Zimmerman is going to walk and rightly so. We haven't even seen the multitude of witnesses the defense is going to call yet.

[Malice_Mizer]

This is the hilarious thing about this trial. You claim that you're somehow unbiased and that every "anti-Zimmerman sheep" is. Your entire post is riddled with betrayals to your own political and legal attitudes.

I personally don't even have a stake in this trial outcome. I personally don't think the evidence is there to convict on murder 2, but I think manslaughter is more than accounted for. I think it comes down to, "Nobody truly knows what happened, and there is contrary and inconsistent evidence on both sides of the case." For everything you've cited, I could just as easily cite some inconsistency with Zimmerman's account. The problem is that you're taking Zimmerman's word as full and unconditional truth for some reason or another. I'm not going to take a guess at why you're so helplessly willing to adopt Zimmerman's self-defense claim as absolute and that any other theory is so full of holes. You're obviously cherry-picking evidence to support the conclusion you came to when this all first happened. That's fine, but please don't claim that everybody else is indulging in bias but you're not. That's sad and delusional.

One of the biggest problems I have with this whole case is that pro-Zimmerman defense has turned from, "He's innocent because you can't prove otherwise!" into, "Trayvon was an evil hood rat that was destined to be killed one way or another because he was rotten and deserved it." You've hijacked the defense of an individual's self-protection and turned it into something wicked. That's the problem I have with this case. Every other Zimmerman acolyte is just as willing to hurl racist epithets and bigoted stereotypes as they are to say, "You haven't proved anything beyond a reasonable doubt." That's where your case is-- but you all take it somewhere disgusting.

But go on with your "Don't trust the liberal media" hype and other band-wagon, "Don't be a sheep!" talking points as you yourself are fed pre-digested opinions and societal conceptions. Just know that you're a bleeding hypocrite.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1.) I don't expect anything said here to sway your opinion even the slightest because you are firmly entrenched in your beliefs. That said...

2.) The Marissa Alexander incident was picked up by the liberal blog/website/news orgs and plastered everywhere as an example of racism and the SYG law. Unfortunately, much of what REALLY happened was lost in translation and you really have to do some google digging to find out what actually took place.

Here's an article with a different version of the events:
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...e-led-shooting

And another:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/annanorth/th...lexanders-reve

Of course you can question this, but I'd question your intelligence if you took the thinkprogress/huffpost versions at face value. Remember - Zimmerman was originally a white guy and in his 911 call said Trayvon was black without being asked.

3.) Self defense laws are pretty clear in most states, and to have a concealed weapon permit you are educated on what these laws are. You must be able to articulate that you were in fear of your life or great bodily harm.

In the Zimmerman case, the injuries on Zimmerman (and lack of injuries on Trayvon) and eyewitness testimony (another prosecution witness saying he saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman 'MMA ground and pound style') give credence to this claim.

What so many anti-Zimmerman sheep seem to think is that it was entirely *impossible* for Trayvon to be a stupid teenage punk (all evidence points that he was) who assaulted Zimmerman because he was being followed (not against the law, not grounds for assault) and paid the price for the viciousness of his assault.

He probably wouldn't have been shot if he just punched Zimmerman once, but that's not how teens fight these days. (and if he had been shot over a single punch Zimmerman would have no case and would have gone to jail)

4.) People die all the time. Black on black crime is at an outrageous rate yet nobody wants to address that. Black kids are getting shot all the time in urban areas. Where's your outrage there? Where are the lynch mobs calling for riots?

5.) If you really want to kill someone, you don't need to play some self-defense game, you can just kill someone randomly and have a much higher chance of getting away with it. This whole "OMG people are going to go around shooting eachother all the time using the self defense ploy!!!" is a red herring and frankly has been proven to be untrue and a complete non-issue.

Also, see #4.

Lastly - please just think. Use your head. I know you've been brainwashed by your peers/media/JonStewart/whatever for years, but coming here spewing a bunch of /r/politics garbage from reddit isn't very becoming.

+1

[Samoht]

what's with all the people with the hard-on for trayvon

little thief got caught casing houses, went thug, got shot

one less thief in the world

pras gm

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what's with all the people with the hard-on for trayvon

little thief got caught casing houses, went thug, got shot

one less thief in the world

pras gm

Case-in-point. The Zimmerman defense is accused of racism because so many of its supporters are irreparably bigoted.

Let'a all trust the wife-beating, cop-punching, anger-management-bound loser who's in financial ruin, right? Sounds like a well-reasoned and insightful opinion you have there. Keep it up! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the hilarious thing about this trial. You claim that you're somehow unbiased and that every "anti-Zimmerman sheep" is. Your entire post is riddled with betrayals to your own political and legal attitudes.

I personally don't even have a stake in this trial outcome. I personally don't think the evidence is there to convict on murder 2, but I think manslaughter is more than accounted for. I think it comes down to, "Nobody truly knows what happened, and there is contrary and inconsistent evidence on both sides of the case." For everything you've cited, I could just as easily cite some inconsistency with Zimmerman's account. The problem is that you're taking Zimmerman's word as full and unconditional truth for some reason or another. I'm not going to take a guess at why you're so helplessly willing to adopt Zimmerman's self-defense claim as absolute and that any other theory is so full of holes. You're obviously cherry-picking evidence to support the conclusion you came to when this all first happened. That's fine, but please don't claim that everybody else is indulging in bias but you're not. That's sad and delusional.

One of the biggest problems I have with this whole case is that pro-Zimmerman defense has turned from, "He's innocent because you can't prove otherwise!" into, "Trayvon was an evil hood rat that was destined to be killed one way or another because he was rotten and deserved it." You've hijacked the defense of an individual's self-protection and turned it into something wicked. That's the problem I have with this case. Every other Zimmerman acolyte is just as willing to hurl racist epithets and bigoted stereotypes as they are to say, "You haven't proved anything beyond a reasonable doubt." That's where your case is-- but you all take it somewhere disgusting.

But go on with your "Don't trust the liberal media" hype and other band-wagon, "Don't be a sheep!" talking points as you yourself are fed pre-digested opinions and societal conceptions. Just know that you're a bleeding hypocrite.

so what you're saying is you just went on a 3-page long rampage about the racist, broken american justice system being on full display in the zimmerman case... and you agree that he's not guilty of murder 2. ok cool

pras court in advance for correctly finding gz not guilty on the charge of murder 2

ps you're wrong about manslaughter as well which is why it wasn't pursued but happy to know you agree that zimmerman should be found not guilty as that's really the pertinent issue here

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the hilarious thing about this trial. You claim that you're somehow unbiased and that every "anti-Zimmerman sheep" is. Your entire post is riddled with betrayals to your own political and legal attitudes.

It's just backlash against the lynch mob. When I first heard about the incident (reported as a racist white guy) my thoughts were "fuck him hope he goes to prison"

Btw Zimmerman is a registered democrat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Although I bet you he voted Romney last year.

I personally don't even have a stake in this trial outcome. I personally don't think the evidence is there to convict on murder 2, but I think manslaughter is more than accounted for. I think it comes down to, "Nobody truly knows what happened, and there is contrary and inconsistent evidence on both sides of the case." For everything you've cited, I could just as easily cite some inconsistency with Zimmerman's account. The problem is that you're taking Zimmerman's word as full and unconditional truth for some reason or another. I'm not going to take a guess at why you're so helplessly willing to adopt Zimmerman's self-defense claim as absolute and that any other theory is so full of holes. You're obviously cherry-picking evidence to support the conclusion you came to when this all first happened. That's fine, but please don't claim that everybody else is indulging in bias but you're not. That's sad and delusional.

The hard evidence, simply put, supports Zimmerman. That's if you're looking at the situation objectively and not placing your own 'gut feelings'.

But, what's more important than that, is that every ding the prosecution makes is worth 1/4th of every point the defense makes - remember, beyond a reasonable doubt is the name of the game.

With the injuries on Zimmerman - severe or not - and none on Trayvon, they perfectly corroborate his version of events. Remember, Zimmerman is claiming that Trayvon saw his gun and *that* is when Zimmerman got scared enough to draw and fire.

One of the biggest problems I have with this whole case is that pro-Zimmerman defense has turned from, "He's innocent because you can't prove otherwise!" into, "Trayvon was an evil hood rat that was destined to be killed one way or another because he was rotten and deserved it." You've hijacked the defense of an individual's self-protection and turned it into something wicked. That's the problem I have with this case. Every other Zimmerman acolyte is just as willing to hurl racist epithets and bigoted stereotypes as they are to say, "You haven't proved anything beyond a reasonable doubt." That's where your case is-- but you all take it somewhere disgusting.

There's a reason for this, and that's because we've been inundated with depictions of Zimmerman as this evil, racist, wannabe hero vigilante and Trayvon as this poor innocent kid.

Furthermore, people want to shout racism at the top of their lungs anytime someone simply acknowledges reality - everyone wants to pretend that a 17 y/o who's been in trouble at school, had suspicious jewelry that didn't belong to him in his locker, 'swung at a bus driver (according to one of his friends on twitter), and acted like a thug is just a harmless teenager because they think it's some badge of anti-racism purity to ignore the facts.

But go on with your "Don't trust the liberal media" hype and other band-wagon, "Don't be a sheep!" talking points as you yourself are fed pre-digested opinions and societal conceptions. Just know that you're a bleeding hypocrite.

?

NBC (liberal) doctored the 911 calls to make Zimmerman seem racist.

Liberal media outlets plastered the jumpsuit image of Zimmerman and the years-old image of innocent child Trayvon.

CNN just plastered his fucking SSN and other personal information on TV - oops.

I think my points are well founded.