Forsaken

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Kileras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

can you explain why they would target us specifically? i figured it was all to compete against BDA/Taken for a bit. Like i said, rules are rules i guess and Sirken is allowing it so be it, but it doesn't particularly feel all that warm and fuzzy.

It's a logic fail on their behalf. Lockouts actually prevent any real competition in class R. It was previously a three way split between BDA, Taken, and everybody else. Foreskin cannot possibly stop BDA or Taken while they're locked out of a mob. Instead, they're just taking away from everybody else.

[ArumTP]

Originally Posted by Kileras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i don't think taken went for maestro, it was just us <anonymous> and Forsaken there. We almost got it to, was a fun race.

R is indeed super crowded. not a lot of space for new guilds trying to make some space for themselves. I dont understand personally why the big guilds don't goto class C. Lawyerquest is bullshit but whatever, get the FTE, get er done. Dont really get why Forsaken is in R competing for mobs against us learning guilds, but rules are rules and hopefully everyone can get along and not try to simply take all the cake for themselves (wishful thinking).

Literally this has been preached since the rotation abruptly ended, and Taken BDA decided to take all the R loot themselves.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They're honestly really only going to affect guilds not named BDA or Taken in class R. If your guild name is on the following list, please be prepared to get even less loot than before:

Anonymous
Azure Guard
Divinity
Europa
Indignation
Moonlight Crusaders
Omni
The A-Team

A-Team, Moonlight Crusaders are dead guilds. Divinity was PRO scumbag maneuver for dismantlement of the rotation. I Have significant doubts if the other guilds will notice much, as BDA/Taken were taking 2/3 of all mobs already. This is only really putting pressure on those guilds.

Originally Posted by neeferio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doubt anyone in BDA cares. Mostly we are laughing that Forsaken can't handle the heat in class C. Giving all the VP loot to Rampage.

Enjoy your 1 class R mob a month.

Cheers

This is the quote everyone should remember from this thread, how hopelessly disillusioned BDA is. BDA is the one that started to shit this thread up with forsaken being in R, has many VP keys but won't compete there, and honestly believes that forsaken will only get 1 mob a month when they have already gotten 3 this week.


My own selfish reasons I'd like forsaken back in R, but on the other hand I'd like them to bitch slap around bda/taken till veillious.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But what I do know is that you are defending two powerhouse guilds who refuses to go to Class C, and you are complaining about a powerhouse guild who just entered Class R.

What do you mean "refuses to go to class C" ? One simply does not compel a guild to change to class C. You do realize that class C is designated for no life neck-beards with shit-stained socks, right? Not everybody wishes to play that way.

[Lisset]

Originally Posted by Kileras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

can you explain why they would target us specifically? i figured it was all to compete against BDA/Taken for a bit. Like i said, rules are rules i guess and Sirken is allowing it so be it, but it doesn't particularly feel all that warm and fuzzy.

He's not saying that you're being targeted but that because one more high end guild in your class, you'll see even less loot.

[Aviann]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you mean "refuses to go to class C" ? One simply does not compel a guild to change to class C. You do realize that class C is designated for no life neck-beards with shit-stained socks, right? Not everybody wishes to play that way.

I think your idea of Class C is a bit obtuse compared to what it actually is. It takes actual ability and playtime to get the mobs you want in Class C. It does involve an amount of neckbearding, but you already do the amount necessary while you are inside Class R, so why you bitchin'?

Instead, you refuse to step up to the plate, and you sit there taking away from the smaller guilds pretending your some awesome entity, when in actuality, you are just being a prick.

[Zeelot]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This argument makes no sense to anyone who knows how guilds grow, get sick, explode, etc.

Ok, so around 2013 a core or even a majority of TMO decided to end the run. But some obviously stayed, or the name would not exist, nor would the guild have been able to continue (no guild bank, no roster, etc.)

You can't say "but that was not the real TMO"

That is just laughable. Some left, some stayed, those who stayed continued on their way and kept things moving more or less, but whatever internal issues contributed to the 2013 exodus has now led to phase two of the Troubles. Stop trying to turn this into some overly complicated just cause.

Predictable dominant guild breaks apart partially, some stay, new members jump on the ship, but predictable dominant guild still has issues, and falls apart. Some go to form new venture.

That's predictable guild stuff. Stop taking yourself so seriously. "The real TMO" -- lol.

I'm the real Sadre, though.

What you're saying might make sense if TMO was just a p99 guild, but we've been around 15 years.

The p99ers tried to use the guild name to get recruits but it didn't help enough. And FE people were leading the guild.... how does that make the guild have any sort of connection to my guild. It doesn't


Gadfly, never had an issue with you. If you don't think it made sense to leave then that's fine. But our guild has always been highly competitive and aggressive ever since starting on Fennin ro. The main reason we liked p99 blue was because that playstyle was similar, especially with the VP train wars. When the raid rotations came in, our classic eq nostalgia got crushed, so we left. End of story. Can call it a hissy fit if you want, but obviously was a logical decision based on a change in rules.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you mean "refuses to go to class C" ? One simply does not compel a guild to change to class C. You do realize that class C is designated for no life neck-beards with shit-stained socks, right? Not everybody wishes to play that way.

Socking with 20-25 people when a mob is in a window... in Class R....

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think your idea of Class C is a bit obtuse compared to what it actually is. It takes actual ability and playtime to get the mobs you want in Class C. It does involve an amount of neckbearding, but you already do the amount necessary while you are inside Class R, so why you bitchin'?

Instead, you refuse to step up to the plate, and you sit there taking away from the smaller guilds pretending your some awesome entity, when in actuality, you are just being a prick.

There you go telling people how they should play again. I guess that's the biggest difference between class C and class R. C players try to dictate to others what's theirs and how they should play. R players just play.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think your idea of Class C is a bit obtuse compared to what it actually is. It takes actual ability and playtime to get the mobs you want in Class C. It does involve an amount of neckbearding, but you already do the amount necessary while you are inside Class R, so why you bitchin'?

Instead, you refuse to step up to the plate, and you sit there taking away from the smaller guilds pretending your some awesome entity, when in actuality, you are just being a prick.

Class R guilds go for maybe 2-3 targets per week.

Class C guilds go for VP (6 targets), plus another 6-8 targets depending on where the class system stands.

The amount of poopsocking is in no way similar. On top of this, windows are now Monday night - Tuesday afternoon. Which precludes most of your typical employed US Time zone players from partaking in raids (which is a large chunk of the server).

If however, Variance were reduced from 16 hours down to a more classic 0-60minutes. More guilds would be able to compete in Class C because the poopsocking requirement is lessened. If such a change happened I'm almost positive one or two guilds would jump from Class R to C.

But Sirken has repeatedly said he won't approve a change like that because he hates poopsocking. Yet Forsaken+Rampage had 25-30 each at the very start of VS's window with 16 hours left to go. I don't really get the hate on poopsocking from his end -- It is dumb, without a doubt. But guaranteeing players partake in this dumb activity a maximum of 1 hour would be a vast improvement over the unfortunate trackers who sit at a spawn point for 15.5 hours without seeing the mob spawn.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you're saying might make sense if TMO was just a p99 guild, but we've been around 15 years.

The p99ers tried to use the guild name to get recruits but it didn't help enough. And FE people were leading the guild.... how does that make the guild have any sort of connection to my guild. It doesn't


Gadfly, never had an issue with you. If you don't think it made sense to leave then that's fine. But our guild has always been highly competitive and aggressive ever since starting on Fennin ro. The main reason we liked p99 blue was because that playstyle was similar, especially with the VP train wars. When the raid rotations came in, our classic eq nostalgia got crushed, so we left. End of story. Can call it a hissy fit if you want, but obviously was a logical decision based on a change in rules.

So you have been leading tmo for 15 years? Holy shit, you are a middle aged man who still takes everquest this seriously? Fuckin a man, I'm sorry.