Necro, how do you not choose Iksar?

[iruinedyourday]

Is there some new data here? or why is this being discussed this was determined a non debatable subject for years and now all of the sudden people are trying to dispute the findings?

or is what we have here is a religious based argument against a scientific one?

[pharmakos]

somehow the debate shifted from "what's the best necromancer race?" to "does min/maxing even matter?"

with the latter crowd being the more vocal ones in a thread that isn't even really relevant to them.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by pharmakos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

somehow the debate shifted from "what's the best necromancer race?" to "does min/maxing even matter?"

with the latter crowd being the more vocal ones in a thread that isn't even really relevant to them.

There's certain things like this and stun vs regen for shaman that can be discussed forever pretty much since the term "best" can mean a lot of different things.

Is the best set up for raiding necessarily the best set up for soloing and are either of them necessarily the best set up for grouping?

Is the way you're going to utilize your necro relevant to the extra regen? On the surface you might think the obvious answer is yes but there's a lot of discussion and observation involved here.

[iruinedyourday]

escapegoat is a good game.

[pharmakos]

no, you're still discussing whether or not min/maxing matters, not whether or not iksar are the best min/max race.

stun resistance vs. regen for shamans is a different story because its two worthwhile racials. what other necro race has a worthwhile racial ability? there's a small argument to be made for dark elf hide i suppose. and gnome tinkering. and faction from anyone. but that's about it, and if we're talking about end-game performance then hide and faction are negated by CoS and grinding.

there are no other racial bonuses that hold a candle to iksar regen. whether or not that matters to you is up to you.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by pharmakos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no, you're still discussing whether or not min/maxing matters, not whether or not iksar are the best min/max race.

stun resistance vs. regen for shamans is a different story because its two worthwhile racials. what other necro race has a worthwhile racial ability? there's a small argument to be made for dark elf hide i suppose. and gnome tinkering. and faction from anyone. but that's about it, and if we're talking about end-game performance then hide and faction are negated by CoS and grinding.

there are no other racial bonuses that hold a candle to iksar regen. whether or not that matters to you is up to you.

No other race has a worthwhile racial ability for necro. Some classes have some better stats but those don't make that big a difference. I think a lot of it is how you play your necro. Someone like me, I have no interest in raiding whatsoever. Nor would I want to use a necro to camp stuff for hours on end(I'd rather make a mage or chanter for that) I like to log onto my necro, go for a challenging big money target then log. Or group big targets. So take a look at these situations-

You log on your necro only to check if a big ticket item is up and if it is you kill it within 15 mins and log off. Or, lets say you're in a group and you're taking down a big target once every 15 minutes otherwise you're sitting around.

Regen isn't going to help you for either of these. In fact, I'd probably stack mana and hp in this case which makes added higher base int a bit useful.

[Faywind]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No other race has a worthwhile racial ability for necro. Some classes have some better stats but those don't make that big a difference. I think a lot of it is how you play your necro. Someone like me, I have no interest in raiding whatsoever. Nor would I want to use a necro to camp stuff for hours on end(I'd rather make a mage or chanter for that) I like to log onto my necro, go for a challenging big money target then log. Or group big targets. So take a look at these situations-

You log on your necro only to check if a big ticket item is up and if it is you kill it within 15 mins and log off. Or, lets say you're in a group and you're taking down a big target once every 15 minutes otherwise you're sitting around.

Regen isn't going to help you for either of these. In fact, I'd probably stack mana and hp in this case which makes added higher base int a bit useful.

I don't recall every doing either of those "situations" you are describing but I suppose in that limited manor, Iksar regen isn't as useful. However, the vast majority doesn't play like that so Iksar regen will still mean a lot more to them than it would to you.

[ghost182]

I just hit lvl 49 on my necro and the lich is really starting to eat me alive now. I wish I had that regen. I can lifetap, but i really don't want to be forced to all the time. If i'm not constantly killing then im clicking off lich which is bad. I guess i got what i wanted, a dark elf. no regrets though, other than 49 lvls.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by ghost182 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just hit lvl 49 on my necro and the lich is really starting to eat me alive now. I wish I had that regen. I can lifetap, but i really don't want to be forced to all the time. If i'm not constantly killing then im clicking off lich which is bad. I guess i got what i wanted, a dark elf. no regrets though, other than 49 lvls.

You notice it at this level and then at level 60 with Demi Lich just how much you get destroyed by the lack of Iksar regen.

Was at a raid on my Necro the other day with Demi Lich rolling + Druid Regrowth BP clicks I didn't lose mana while sitting and could maintain Lich the entire raid even when no mobs were in camp.

Any other race would've been losing 10 HP/tick while sitting under those circumstances.

[Ronnie328]

Originally Posted by ghost182 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just hit lvl 49 on my necro and the lich is really starting to eat me alive now. I wish I had that regen. I can lifetap, but i really don't want to be forced to all the time. If i'm not constantly killing then im clicking off lich which is bad. I guess i got what i wanted, a dark elf. no regrets though, other than 49 lvls.

you're doing it wrong.

and for the people out there only comparing racials, then you're right. Iksar has the best racial. and anyone having a hard time managing lich is bad at necro.

Now, full disclosure, i don't play necro now, i don't raid now, i'm not gonna raid in the future. I did all my raiding in the past. And in the past, my DE necro was much better in raids than the iksar varieties because my stats and resists were better than my iksar counterparts, because i was able to cap stats much faster due to the higher base. So i guess regen is really cool, unless you die because your HP is lower or your resists are lower.

If you want to talk max/min then higher health and higher resists are always better than a racial that amounts to 10 hp per tick.