student loans are a hit!

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People who study this disagree with you but I guess your gut feelings win out

Appeal to authority fallacy

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it's grounded in fact: I already linked studies demonstrating as much.

If harsher penalties deter crime, show me some evidence. Surely there are conservative researchers at major academic institutions? If strong penalties deter crime, they would have studies documenting it ... right?

Yea yea like the Covid studies that were all proven to be ideologically driven and pure bunk

[unsunghero]

How about how the differences is numbers of locations that criminals tend to frequent such as liquor stores, strip clubs, head shops, etc might affect crime rates?

How about the differences between the ratios of the drugs of choice in the area might affect crime rates?

How about how the weather condition differences in different areas might affect crime rates? Is it easy to mug people when it’s 10 below zero out?

But nope, it’s all about sentencing length

[Lune]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If studies are gold then I guess that includes all the unethical medical ones of the present and past too

You're basically rejecting the utility of the fundamental logical framework upon which modern civilization is based

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[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about how the differences is numbers of locations that criminals tend to frequent such as liquor stores, strip clubs, head shops, etc might affect crime rates?

How about the differences between the ratios of the drugs of choice in the area might affect crime rates?

How about how the weather condition differences in different areas might affect crime rates? Is it easy to mug people when it’s 10 below zero out?

But nope, it’s all about sentencing length

You're wasting your time

"I linked to a study"

"People I never met have studied it"

It's common sense that if a repeat offender is locked up, he won't commit additional crimes against the public while being locked up. The premise that harsher penalties don't deter crime is a strawman. The question that should be asked is, does the penalty fit the crime on an individual case by case basis.

What we should be debating is the root of criminal behavior which is primarily boys being raised by single mothers, but they won't touch that.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about how the weather condition differences in different areas might affect crime rates? Is it easy to mug people when it’s 10 below zero out?

This is actually a great illustration of statistical power. Data over long periods of time clearly show seasonality of crime, with it increasing during the summer (we're not 100% sure why but there are theories). However they can isolate this effect statistically and remove it from data. They do the same thing for numerous other variables.

You're also arguing that one of the cornerstones of modern business is invalid, like every corporation that does this with data is retarded and they just aren't in on it like you are lol. Somebody go to the business analysts convention and tell them

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're wasting your time

"I linked to a study"

"People I never met have studied it"

It's common sense that if a repeat offender is locked up, he won't commit additional crimes against the public while being locked up. The premise that harsher penalties don't deter crime is a strawman. The question that should be asked is, does the penalty fit the crime on an individual case by case basis.

What we should be debating is the root of criminal behavior which is primarily boys being raised by single mothers, but they won't touch that.

Or I’ve heard the poverty always creates crime argument but after numerous periods of extreme poverty in history like the Great Depression, there weren’t giant crime wave spikes to my knowledge

So poverty is a contributing factor, never a complete excuse on its own that people want it to be. Crime creates poverty just as much by driving away businesses and turning areas into blight

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is actually a great illustration of statistical power. Data over long periods of time clearly show seasonality of crime, with it increasing during the summer (we're not 100% sure why but there are theories). However they can isolate this effect statistically and remove it from data. They do the same thing for numerous other variables.

You're also arguing that one of the cornerstones of modern business is invalid, like every corporation that does this with data is retarded and they just aren't in on it like you are lol. Somebody go to the business analysts convention and tell them

I just don’t trust studies, especially ones on something as complex as human behavior across multiple populations in the us at once

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or I’ve heard the poverty always creates crime argument but after numerous periods of extreme poverty in history like the Great Depression, there weren’t giant crime wave spikes to my knowledge

So poverty is a contributing factor, never a complete excuse on its own that people want it to be. Crime creates poverty just as much by driving away businesses and turning areas into blight

I didn't say poverty. It has nothing to do with that.

I said 'Boys being raised by Single Mothers'

[Lune]

Somebody go tell every major global retail corporation we don't actually know how to isolate market forces and determine optimal pricing points

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't say poverty. It has nothing to do with that.

I said 'Boys being raised by Single Mothers'

Yea I know you hadn’t but a lot of people do

Crime is just from poverty. Not always, there have been periods of extreme poverty without crazy crime increases

And yea I agree that single motherhood seems to be another factor