Best Trio That Doesn't Use Enchanter

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not true at all. 2 casts of Celestial Cleansing is better than Mend (or at least equal if the Monk has best gear and buffs). Paladin can certainly manage 2 casts of it every 6 mins, and in ideal circumstances with lots of mana regen buffs around, Celestial Cleansing far outperforms Mend.

Then add Lay Hands on top, and also Deepwater Breastplate for downtime healing.

lmao

dense as diamond

[zelld52]

If a monk has 5k HP, mend does 1.25k HP heal.

Every 6 minutes, no mana, no reagent. No cast time. Shit monk can even mend while feigned death. The only downside is that it's self only.

Zura I can't help but think you have little experience on a monk.

[Snaggles]

6 mins of standing mana regen on a paladin with c2 will let you cast just over 3 celestial cleansing for free. Averaging 4 and 5 tick heals, that’s 2475hps. Assuming a Reaver pally to a Tstaff monk the dps isn’t equivalent but picking up a generic ToV 2h the gap closes a bit on blue cons.

I still think monk is the answer but less of a default or requirement. Swap out the necro for a mage and the dps average over the necro makes up for the monk to knight handicap.

Or just roll with the three classes people want to play since the game isn’t that hard.

[Toxigen]

Even a paladin with a 100k plat advantage in items aint gonna keep up with a monk.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

6 mins of standing mana regen on a paladin

while levelling paladin dont get celestial cleansing. monk get mend at level 1.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

6 mins of standing mana regen on a paladin with c2 will let you cast just over 3 celestial cleansing for free. Averaging 4 and 5 tick heals, that’s 2475hps. Assuming a Reaver pally to a Tstaff monk the dps isn’t equivalent but picking up a generic ToV 2h the gap closes a bit on blue cons.

I still think monk is the answer but less of a default or requirement. Swap out the necro for a mage and the dps average over the necro makes up for the monk to knight handicap.

Or just roll with the three classes people want to play since the game isn’t that hard.

Enchanters are banned in this thread. Please sit down (and med ur pal).

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lmao dense as diamond

Yep, that's you. Constantly ignore facts and don't have anything relevant to say, while attempting to spam pathetic insults like a sad little playground bully.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enchanters are banned in this thread.

Bards aren't. The discussion had also branched out to talking about hybrids in general.

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a monk has 5k HP, mend does 1.25k HP heal.

Every 6 minutes, no mana, no reagent. No cast time.

So what? That's less than what Celestial Cleansing can do. Far less, most of the time. It doesn't cost a reagent and the cast time is irrelevant since it's very fast.

Mana isn't relevant in the comparison. Monks don't have mana and Paladin isn't spending their mana on anything else in a head-to-head comparison of "who can tank longer". Even with zero extra mana regen, the advantage of Celestial Cleansing over Mend is massive when looking at a single fight. Let's say the Monk can even Mend twice in the time frame - that's still only 2.5k HP, compared to Celestial Cleansing generating like 10k worth of healing from the Paladin's full mana bar, and the Paladin has Lay Hands as well.

The only time Celestial Cleansing would be worse than Mend is if the Paladin is attacking with zero downtime for several hours, in a group with zero mana regen buffs (including the Paladin not having a Flowing Thought item). Very rare. Realistically, the Paladin will be able to catch some meditate ticks and/or will gain enough mana while perma standing. If Monks were offered the choice of gaining mana/meditate and Celestial Cleansing, instead of Mend, they would take that trade.

[Jimjam]

Didn’t realise bards can cast c2. Fair play zu.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn’t realise bards can cast c2. Fair play zu.

C'mon, you're not this daft. They have Cantata of Replenishment, and can pump even more mana than that if they want to.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only time Celestial Cleansing would be worse than Mend is if the Paladin is attacking with zero downtime for several hours, in a group with zero mana regen buffs (including the Paladin not having a Flowing Thought item). Very rare. Realistically, the Paladin will be able to catch some meditate ticks and/or will gain enough mana while perma standing. If Monks were offered the choice of gaining mana/meditate and Celestial Cleansing, instead of Mend, they would take that trade.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Celestial_Cleansing

I love my paladin but you do realize that you’ve got 58 long level to complete before it even enters the equation right? And if we are only considering the end game … well by then the shaman has torpor (doesn’t stack with celestial cleansing) and a well played necro will be juggling the lions share of the healing with a 125/tick recourse heal that stacks with torpor.

The beauty of mend is not for the average hp healed over time - it is that it is instant and available on a short refresh timer. With a necro and a shaman healing … you aren’t going to need self-heals routinely. When you do, an emergency instant heal is better than a heal over time. Yes … paladins do have LoH … but how long is the refresh on that again?

Sorry bud … you ain’t right here