So how about that Zimmerman trial?

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so what you're saying is you just went on a 3-page long rampage about the racist, broken american justice system being on full display in the zimmerman case... and you agree that he's not guilty of murder 2. ok cool

pras court in advance for correctly finding gz not guilty on the charge of murder 2

ps you're wrong about manslaughter as well which is why it wasn't pursued but happy to know you agree that zimmerman should be found not guilty as that's really the pertinent issue here

You have a serious misunderstanding of the way this whole thing works.

I didn't say that he wasn't guilty of murder 2. I didn't say that he shouldn't be found not guilty. That's the whole point. He may very well be. The problem is that the prosecution has the burden of proof, so if they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he had malicious intent which seems to be their most difficult hurdle at the moment, then the jury MAY NOT find him guilty of murder 2. You see, there's a jury of peers that consider the merits of the case and where to allocate their consideration. They could find him guilty of murder 2 regardless. They could defer to a lesser charge of manslaughter, which is looking more and more likely.

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Case-in-point. The Zimmerman defense is accused of racism because so many of its supporters are irreparably bigoted.

Let'a all trust the wife-beating, cop-punching, anger-management-bound loser who's in financial ruin, right? Sounds like a well-reasoned and insightful opinion you have there. Keep it up! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are lots of really racist posts on certain articles coming from people that support Zimmerman, this is true, and it's shitty. Of course that doesn't mean that everyone who thinks Zimmerman is innocent and acted in self defense hates black people.

On the flip side, there sure are a fuckton of black people saying "imma kill a cracker" and "justice for trayvon imma riot!!!!" and it's equally racist.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Karafa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

miles ahead of you in intelligence

I'm curious as to what led you to this conclusion.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's equally racist.

lol. no.

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are lots of really racist posts on certain articles coming from people that support Zimmerman, this is true, and it's shitty. Of course that doesn't mean that everyone who thinks Zimmerman is innocent and acted in self defense hates black people.

On the flip side, there sure are a fuckton of black people saying "imma kill a cracker" and "justice for trayvon imma riot!!!!" and it's equally racist.

How is that equally racist? You have a black minor killed by a white guy, and the supporters of the white guy are resorting to destroying the character of the black kid by resorting to horrific stereotypes and bigoted assumptions. What's more, they utilize any "bad" thing that Trayvon ever did against him as though he deserved to die for it. Trust me, I got into fights by the time I was 17, I did a lot of drugs, had 2 run-ins with the law, and I come from a privileged white background. Nobody would have used that against me if I were in Trayvon's position, killed by a black dude. No way in hell. It's a tremendous double-standard.

This entire trial and investigation stinks, and the defense has tried to use everything in the book to prey on racialized fears of white people leading up the trial. If you see that Trayvon's dead body was drug-tested but Zimmerman wasn't, as a black person, how would you react to that?

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol. no.

Oh you're right, a bunch of black people out there wanting to 'kill whitey' and 'riot' and 'imma kill me a cracker' is nowhere near as racist as someone posting 'porch monkeys' on a drudgereport linked article's comments section.

Gotcha.

Nobody would have used that against me if I were in Trayvon's position, killed by a black dude. No way in hell. It's a tremendous double-standard.

Oh really? Well, you're right, because if a 29 year old black guy killed you after you attacked him while he was protecting his neighborhood this would have never gone to trial and he'd be considered a hero.

But please tell us more about ~white privilege~ - maybe if you educate us you can earn your second white guilt merit badge!

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how would you react to that?

I'd probably go off half-cocked about it on the internet.

Personally, I'm waiting to see what happens when the defense gets its chance to request a directed verdict. You just know there's going to be fireworks. Especially if the jury comes back with guilty and the judge intercedes with renewed judgement as a matter or law.

[Malice_Mizer]

It's not. Any intelligent commentator on racism will tell you that "racism" is specifically the mixture of race and power. Jim Crow America, for instance, was when the United States held a racial supremacist philosophy and used its power to enforce it. That's racism. All of this other crap you're referencing are prejudiced attitudes. Not racism. There is, in fact, a difference.

Don't even get started on the white privilege. If you're literally mocking the concept that a country that was founded on an explicit white supremacist philosophy that it held dearly until 50 years ago is suddenly no longer racist at all and is a purely color-blind society, go ahead in your own self-interested delusion.

But I can tell you that you'd be singing a different tune if you weren't white. Again, you're only scoffing because you benefit directly from it and don't want to consider the horrific nature of our history and its living vestiges. But I guess a total absence of empathy would render you totally unable to entertain the existence of other people in the world, this is true.

"White guilt merit badge"... That should get you a soft spot in Hannity's Heaven somewhere down the line for that one. I'm sure George Wallace is applauding you from beyond the grave. Must feel interesting to constantly be on the wrong side of history.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh you're right, a bunch of black people out there wanting to 'kill whitey' and 'riot' and 'imma kill me a cracker' is nowhere near as racist as someone posting 'porch monkeys' on a drudgereport linked article's comments section.

Gotcha.

Racism only exists within a context of racial power imbalance. Bottom->up "racism" is not really racism, it is a reaction to being treated like an animal.

[Hasbinbad]

Also, kill whitey.