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[Messianic]

How Zeelot should have handled it:


"Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know we're really disappointed at this whole situation. From what we can tell, all of the offenses here center around a few individuals in particular who have been banned/removed following evidence from staff showing their misdeeds.

Account sharing is very common at the top end of the game because of the many benefits it provides, and most guilds do this to some degree. Unfortunately, there's also a shared risk since we see it's difficult and time intensive for staff to decipher which accounts to punish in the case of events like these.

So, we're providing any help we can to staff to help untangle legitimate accounts from those controlled solely by the offenders since we don't want the remaining vast majority members (who do not cheat, rmt, etc as we absolutely have zero tolerance for it) to suffer for the actions of a few.

Whatever you may think about altercations we've had with you in competition for raid mobs, etc, this is a different situation. This involves outright cheating (on an emulated, 12+ year old game no less) that screws up the economy and game rather than mere unsportsmanlike conduct. Again, we have zero tolerance for childish BS like that.

As for the raid scene, we're open to any suggestions or discussions on how to make the classic experience enjoyable for all (since a robust population of all types of players benefits everyone, including us) and look forward to that going forward."



He'd still take a lot of heat, haters would still take their shots. But they wouldn't stick nearly as well. When you act whiny and self-righteous and reject all blame, the haters are given the best ammo against you. Accounts of players in your guild comprised a vast majority of the cheating accounts - sorry, that's reason to single out any guild, even if it's the first time it's ever happened in such a public way. So don't start rule lawyering, deflecting, and pointing fingers when the wrong here was committed by your members. You're playing a game with other people, not campaigning for public office.

[heazels]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How Zeelot should have handled it:


"Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know we're really disappointed at this whole situation. From what we can tell, all of the offenses here center around a few individuals in particular who have been banned/removed following evidence from staff showing their misdeeds.

Account sharing is very common at the top end of the game because of the many benefits it provides, and most guilds do this to some degree. Unfortunately, there's also a shared risk since we see it's difficult and time intensive for staff to decipher which accounts to punish in the case of events like these.

So, we're providing any help we can to staff to help untangle legitimate accounts from those controlled solely by the offenders since we don't want the remaining vast majority members (who do not cheat, rmt, etc as we absolutely have zero tolerance for it) to suffer for the actions of a few.

Whatever you may think about altercations we've had with you in competition for raid mobs, etc, this is a different situation. This involves outright cheating (on an emulated, 12+ year old game no less) that screws up the economy and game rather than mere unsportsmanlike conduct. Again, we have zero tolerance for childish BS like that.

As for the raid scene, we're open to any suggestions or discussions on how to make the classic experience enjoyable for all (since a robust population of all types of players benefits everyone, including us) and look forward to that going forward."



He'd still take a lot of heat, haters would still take their shots. But they wouldn't stick nearly as well. When you act whiny and self-righteous and reject all blame, the haters are given the best ammo against you. Accounts of players in your guild comprised a vast majority of the cheating accounts - sorry, that's reason to single out any guild, even if it's the first time it's ever happened in such a public way. So don't start rule lawyering, deflecting, and pointing fingers when the wrong here was committed by your members. You're playing a game with other people, not campaigning for public office.

Because they didnt handle it like this, it makes them look more guilty

[Tasslehofp99]

When you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas ya'll

[Ungriim]

I wonder how many accounts they logged on were bought with that duped plat and therefore perpetuated TMOs raid presence?

[Ungriim]

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO has been playing here since when the server pop was in the low 100s.

Also brah - Divinity is guild #18. IB is #28. Europa is #29. DA was like 46 if I remember right. Your guild # is....




































183.

Stop pretending like youre one of the good'ole boys.

[Pheer]

TMO accounts get banned for a cheater being allowed to log into them - Innocent angels who are the victims of a cold and heartless world

Anyone else's account banned because someone using SEQ or MQ logged onto it and got the account flagged - Scum that should be cleaned off the server and have their name mentioned in every forumquest thread related to cheating for the next decade

[Ungriim]

Anyone else notice that

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...But you truly are an idiot with no grasp of truth and my last hope for you is that you just like to troll.

Get a life. lol

Reads a lot like:

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am truely an idiot with no grasp of truth and my last hope is that I just like to troll.

[Nirgon]

You're missing the real point here.

After farming Kunark for 4 years... do you really need to be duping shit?

Name a guild on live that had a combined 100 cloak of flames?

Or someone with 4 characters in VP gear? Can you people ever have enough Kunark pixels? Is there some limit where you can say "yes, I am happy with this"?

Terrible to see 2-3 people get 86 accounts banned, many of which had no idea the guilty parties were doing it.

That said, who knows how much shit leaked its way into the economy or how long the bug was known.

[Fountree]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're missing the real point here.

After farming Kunark for 4 years... do you really need to be duping shit?

Name a guild on live that had a combined 100 cloak of flames?

Or someone with 4 characters in VP gear? Can you people ever have enough Kunark pixels? Is there some limit where you can say "yes, I am happy with this"?

Terrible to see 2-3 people get 86 accounts banned, many of which had no idea the guilty parties were doing it.

That said, who knows how much shit leaked its way into the economy or how long the bug was known.

[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're missing the real point here.

After farming Kunark for 4 years... do you really need to be duping shit?

Name a guild on live that had a combined 100 cloak of flames?

Or someone with 4 characters in VP gear? Can you people ever have enough Kunark pixels? Is there some limit where you can say "yes, I am happy with this"?

Terrible to see 2-3 people get 86 accounts banned, many of which had no idea the guilty parties were doing it.

That said, who knows how much shit leaked its way into the economy or how long the bug was known.

This is kinda the point. TMO has millions in the bank tons of items and 0 need to dupe anything. What foovy/internode did was for personal use. __Also our guild bank isnt banned. Confirmed un-associated.